Breeding a pet rep with a wild one, in the wild?

[nicman72]

G'day,
I had my female 3yo Eastern Beardie with me down at a local park today (which is ideal Eastern Beardie territory), and she was waving up a storm. As I was watching her from a seat I wondered, what if a wild male Beardie ran up to her and, well, did what males are meant to do? I'm actually quite keen for her to have some babies this year - is it illegal, or plain unwise, to let nature take its course between a wild rep of any sort with a captive one, even if it actually happens 'in the wild'?
Cheers,
Nic

 

[miss2]

curious - do u just let her run around on her own???

 

[W.T.BUY]

I think technically if it happened within 72 hours it would be ok (anything out of your possession for longer is illegal). However I would be to worried that your female would run off never to be seen again. I highly doubt a wild male would just come and mate her infrount of you.

 

[nicman72]

curious - do u just let her run around on her own???

Yeah, we take all 3 of our beardies for regular outings, whether it's just down to the park, or the markets, or the beach; and we regularly just let them have a run around and bask for an hour or so. We just keep a good eye on them, watch out for predators, and always keep between them and any means of escape. They're our pets, we love them, and we like to include them whenever we can! We even have a little harness (that I bought when I was in Melbourne last) which we put on Rose (Eastern BD) and go fishing. We always keep an eye on her, but it means we don't have to stress about her disappearing in a heartbeat.

As for Rose finding a wild male and mating right in front of me, yeah, I doubt it too, but I don't think I'd stop it if it did happen. This is only my 2nd year keeping Beardies and I haven't bred any. How long or quickly can copulation go for?

NIc

 

[AUSGECKO]

If your not worried about getting a mite or tick infestation in your reptile collection, go for it, let em run around all day.

 

[herptrader]

I would suspect illegal and unwise.

The main problem is that you could be passing on a disease to the wild population that could wipe them out. This is pretty serious and why it would be illegal. Australia's strict quarantine laws are all about his type of scenario and why you cannot even bring native animals back into the country.

On the flip side you are exposing your pet to pathogens etc. from the wild.

IMHO really bad practice.

 

[herptrader]

... you would also have to explain an apparently immaculate conception/parthenogenic conception when you submit your return.... at which point I think you would find yourself getting a visit from the department.

 

[gregcranston]

... you would also have to explain an apparently immaculate conception/parthenogenic conception when you submit your return.... at which point I think you would find yourself getting a visit from the department.

Yes and no. You don't have to state in your return what *** your dragons are, so if you have more than one, there is no saying that one of them could have been the male that helped produce the babies (even if you only have females).
But IMO, it would be a very bad practice, with disease transmission and the like, as already mentioned.

 

[fritzi2009]

its illegal to move animals from the address theyre licenced under.... im pretty sure... even if its just for a walk?

 

[miss2]

still preety cool though, do they come when u call them back>?? LOL

 

[bowdnboy]

Yer, been a while since I looked at the regs governing this (for Vic anyway), but I 'm pretty sure that the licensed animals are to stay at the adress on the license. Only allowed to leave the address for seeking medical (vet) attention, or when being bought / sold.

Cheers

 

[Lollypop]

I'm in toowoomba qld where easterns run wild - pet stores aren't allowed to sell them here for this reason, & u have to have a special licence if u want to breed them here. This is to protect the wild ones from being picked up & sold off, ruling brought in by the epa.
So I'd also look in to the epa specifications on breeding of easterns in your area if they live there naturally.
We had a big male eastern sniffing 'round the female centrals last yr in the outside enclosure - I'm pleased they were inaccessible.
Worms mites ticks - yeah, I wouldn't go there.

 

[gregcranston]

its illegal to move animals from the address theyre licenced under.... im pretty sure... even if its just for a walk?

Yes, I'm pretty sure this is the case in VIC.

 

[Jonno from ERD]

G'day Nic,

Are you having a wind up? I thought this was a little serious until I spotted your photo of you releasing a "wild" Blackheaded Python that was supposedly caught at your friends house at Buderim - hundreds of kilometres outside of BHP range.

 

[nicman72]

G'day Nic,

Are you having a wind up? I thought this was a little serious until I spotted your photo of you releasing a "wild" Blackheaded Python that was supposedly caught at your friends house at Buderim - hundreds of kilometres outside of BHP range.

G'day Jonno,

I'm not having you on when I say I caught a BHP (the very one in the picture) under a mate's couch. It was up on the hill in Buderim, in a townhouse that backed onto other properties; it's pretty bushy up there, but it's still pretty much suburbia. I then let it go near where I used to live at Little Mountain (few k's south).

I remember googling black headed python at the time (I hadn't joined APS back then) and reading that it was fairly common around here. So I just let him go. I guess... it could've been someone's escaped pet?

As for breeding Rose with a wild lizard, thanks for all the suggestions. It seems that it would be both dangerous for her (and possibly the wild mate), and most likely illegal, so I'll give it a miss.

But when it comes to letting my lizards cruise around with me outside, I've never had a problem health-wise. No ticks or mites. You'll probably hate it when I tell you I let them eat insects out there as well! I was told variety in their tucker is a good thing, and again, I've had no problems.

 

[Jonno from ERD]

G'day Jonno,

I'm not having you on when I say I caught a BHP (the very one in the picture) under a mate's couch. It was up on the hill in Buderim, in a townhouse that backed onto other properties; it's pretty bushy up there, but it's still pretty much suburbia. I then let it go near where I used to live at Little Mountain (few k's south).

I remember googling black headed python at the time (I hadn't joined APS back then) and reading that it was fairly common around here. So I just let him go. I guess... it could've been someone's escaped pet?

G'day mate,

The closest to Buderim that you will get BHP's is around Gayndah. It's a safe bet to say that you just sent someones pet snake on a very long journey

 

[nicman72]

Bugger hey. I feel really bad about that... Do you think it'll survive this far south?

My mate actually called a snake remover to come and get it, but couldn't afford it, so he called me because I keep lizards (yeah... like that means I'm any good with snakes! lol!). I've NEVER handled a wild snake, and tame ones only a couple times in my life, but they probably would've ended up killing it trying to get rid of it, so I was just trying to do the right thing and caught it, put it in a pillow case, and released it the next day. Hopefully not to its doom...

Is there any way you can tell a wild snake from a tame one? Now that I've joined APS, I'll be sure to ask you guys for more information before I act if I find myself in a similar situation.

Cheers for the feedback, I appreciate it.
Nic

 

[ADZz_93]

imj with frizzi, isnt it illegal to move the animal from the address theyre licenced at? unless your licence states otherwise, or you have a permit or something?

 

[AUSGECKO]

I've never had a problem health-wise. No ticks or mites.

Many people on here have said that at one stage or another until its actually happened to them, but at the end of the day it sometimes just isn`t worth the risk. As for the variety of insects, it probably wouldnt hurt as long as you know they havn`t been in contact with pesticides.

 

[spongebob]

Putting aside all the pathogen issues this is an interesting hypothetical.

Say a wild reptile fell into a pit with my whatever or you took your pet reptile out on a lead (where that was permitted), then this is potentially a way of increasing the gene pool. I can just imagine that in the future pet reptiles are taken on safari to mate with prized locals....