Does size really matter?

[Kelton22]

Large commercial breeders say the keep snakes 0-8 months (or so) in click clack containers to reduce stress. Personal owners I have spoken to say anything smaller than about 250 litres makes no difference, plus you dont need the extra cost for a second enclosure.

Opinions? Would love to hear some personal experiences.

Also im looking at this for my two 4 month old jungles:
SPT-004 Wood Vivarium 60x50x100cm | Reptile Direct Australia

 

[cathy1986]

You keeping them together ? Or one of these each?

Cathy

 

[Asharee133]

...Bad mind, bad!

 

[Endeavour]

You keeping them together ? Or one of these each?

Cathy

I think click clacks are fine for some species providing you do your research and are able to maintain the correct husbandry. If cost was not an issue I think most keepers would prefer to house snakes in vivarium's (when they reach a certain age) but sadly especially with some of the more rapid growing species it would cost you a fortune if you were a breeder. For me the whole idea of having snakes is so that you can see them so viewing them through a constant opaqueness does not really float my boat. The very mention of click clacks as with housing snakes together always stirs emotions within the reptile community but at the end of the day its a personal choice. This said I thing attempting to maintain as natural an environment as possible for the snake is a number one priority for me so that's why I would always prefer vivarium's when snakes get beyond a certain age.

As per the enclosure you provide in your link providing there were loads of hiding places so the animals felt secure I would not see an issue. Cannot help but think they are listing the incorrect weight for this item though.


Kindest regards


Endeavour

 

[notechistiger]

I think if you provide them with plenty of cover, than they should be fine. If you have any issues, it's easy enough to move them back into a tub until they get a little bigger.

 

[dannydee]

Large commercial breeders say the keep snakes 0-8 months (or so) in click clack containers to reduce stress. Personal owners I have spoken to say anything smaller than about 250 litres makes no difference, plus you dont need the extra cost for a second enclosure.

Opinions? Would love to hear some personal experiences.

Also im looking at this for my two 4 month old jungles:

SPT-004 Wood Vivarium 60x50x100cm | Reptile Direct Australia

Well, I have started my hatchlings off in click clacks, then moved them to much bigger enclosures. To me it makes sense really, as I wouldn't want to put a hatchling in an enclosures with the dimensions 120x90x60 cm straight away. A 70ltr costs next to nothing, so I don't think I'm wasting money.

As for the enclosure in the link you provided.....
...the dimensions seem a bit odd. Unless the picture is very deceiving, it looks like it should be 100x60x60 cm (HxLxW), not 100x60x20 cm. Also the weight of the enclosure is a mistake as well, I'm pretty sure it doesn't weigh two and a half times more than me.

I would personally not put a hatchling into that to start with, but I'm sure others would. I have a feeling that it would hide a fair bit, but I could be wrong, as I haven't ever tried it before.

Good luck with whatever you do.

 

[Xeaal]

I personally hate the way reptiles are kept in rack and tub systems - don't care what anyone says, no way the reptile is enjoying this living arrangement. Surely if you have so many snakes that you are temperature controlling the entire room they are in, they could at least have an enclosure large enough for them to move in! There are laws about the paddock size that a horse may be kept in and I think this should go for any creature kept in captivity. Considering that they live for around 20 years.. living in a tub not even large enough to move properly is the equivalent to us spending 20 years in a jail cell. Sorry if this seems a bit high-handed, but i really believe all creatures deserve the basic right to a comfortable, decent environment if they happen to be in captivity.

 

[The_Geeza]

I personally hate the way reptiles are kept in rack and tub systems - don't care what anyone says, no way the reptile is enjoying this living arrangement. Surely if you have so many snakes that you are temperature controlling the entire room they are in, they could at least have an enclosure large enough for them to move in! There are laws about the paddock size that a horse may be kept in and I think this should go for any creature kept in captivity. Considering that they live for around 20 years.. living in a tub not even large enough to move properly is the equivalent to us spending 20 years in a jail cell. Sorry if this seems a bit high-handed, but i really believe all creatures deserve the basic right to a comfortable, decent environment if they happen to be in captivity.

I can understand what u r saying tho there r other things to consider....i had 2 x stimi hatchies that every time i upped into there 1st enclosure they stopped feeding....put back in click clack and eat like champions.....took some time and effort to get them restarted but both now in large enclosures....also i have brought both my carpets up the same way and its easy for your 1st steps in handling with them also....easy feeding ...and once they comfortable then move um on....EACH to there own and there will always be people AGREE to disagree....just look at the last few days threads...so this is advice only and i wont be getting into any **** fight if anyone disagreesssssssssss

 

[Albino93]

Personally I agree with notechistiger....with both my pythons I put them straight into 3x2x2 enclosures when I got them, they were only around 3 months old, they settled within the week and ate within a few days. I however will always keep a click clack handy just in case a new addition stresses too much (and refuses to eat) in the bigger enclosure.... Just my opinion on the subject.

 

[Sleazy.P.Martini]

Yeh its been my experience that a big enclosure with plenty of tiny hiding spaces is the same as a small enclosure with the same size hides. Some click clacks can be quite see through anyway, so they'll still be hiding away

 

[Kelton22]

Wow heaps more responses then I expected! Thanks for the input guys. I havent decided yet if they will be in together, itll depend on the temperaments I guess but I dont plan on breeding them to begin with.
As for hides, I plan on having probably 2 on the bottom and loads of branches/ leaves and vines throughout the enclosure. Im also going to put in a couple of Basking spots up higher. I want to have the temperature gradient hot at the top and cooler at the bottom rather than the usual left and right sides. I reckon being naturally climbing snakes happy to hide in the branches this shouldnt be an issue.
If they have an issue however i will definitely keep a click clack handy.

If you have anything to add or criticize by all means do so, I am always interested in something different if the snake will be happier!

 

[fourexes]

I put my water python in huge enclosures since ive had him (3 months old) and all it's seem to have done is give him the same confidence outside as it does inside lol there are no click clacks in nature

On the other side of the coin I have a 6 year old spotted/childreni in a click clack. As long as the size is right, and if it's at all questionable you compensate with plenty of exercise and sunlight, he appreciates being outside so much more than my water does but still seems so content in his click clack, it's also convenient.

 

[dannydee]

Wow heaps more responses then I expected! Thanks for the input guys. I havent decided yet if they will be in together, itll depend on the temperaments I guess but I dont plan on breeding them to begin with.
As for hides, I plan on having probably 2 on the bottom and loads of branches/ leaves and vines throughout the enclosure. Im also going to put in a couple of Basking spots up higher. I want to have the temperature gradient hot at the top and cooler at the bottom rather than the usual left and right sides. I reckon being naturally climbing snakes happy to hide in the branches this shouldnt be an issue.
If they have an issue however i will definitely keep a click clack handy.

If you have anything to add or criticize by all means do so, I am always interested in something different if the snake will be happier!

I would totally recommend a wicker birds nest that you can buy for finches, as a hide for higher up in the enclosure. My coastal loved it, and used it until she could no longer fit in it. Even when she couldn't fit, she still used it but half of her would hang out one of the holes. She never messed in it, and it was a real nice feature for her enclosure.

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[Kelton22]

Wow dannydee, thats such a good idea! I would never have thought of something like that. Ill definitely use something like that now to keep them happy up high. Thats the only thing i was worried about is how to put a hide higher up and not take up an entire basking shelf. You sir are a genius.
Thanks a lot.

 

[Umbral]

How easy are those birds nests to clean?

 

[caleb96]

Where do you purchase those from?

 

[dannydee]

Wow dannydee, thats such a good idea! I would never have thought of something like that. Ill definitely use something like that now to keep them happy up high. Thats the only thing i was worried about is how to put a hide higher up and not take up an entire basking shelf. You sir are a genius.
Thanks a lot.

No worries mate, like I said my coastal loved it.

How easy are those birds nests to clean?

I'm not sure, but I can't imagine they would be that difficult. My coastal never messed in it, so I never has to worry.

 

[caleb96]

Where do you purchase the nest things from dannydee?

 

[dannydee]

Wow dannydee, thats such a good idea! I would never have thought of something like that. Ill definitely use something like that now to keep them happy up high. Thats the only thing i was worried about is how to put a hide higher up and not take up an entire basking shelf. You sir are a genius.
Thanks a lot.

How easy are those birds nests to clean?

I got it from a pet shop here in Scotland, but I'm sure you could find one online, or even a shop near you.

Where do you purchase the nest things from dannydee?

 

[Marzzy]

That nest thing looks awesome, I always use a click clack for first few months as soon as I can afford a bigger display enclosure I get it, and make sure there's plenty of hidey holes and fake plants etc....