crushed ribs :(

[miss2]

a little while ago I posted a thread http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/herp-help-38/omg-i-think-shes-gravid-129474 about my bluies that I thought was gravid. I had organised to get her to the vet for a check up. after going to c a reptile specialist he said he could not be 100 percent sure and needed to do some x rays and an ultra sound.
I had this all booked in and ready to go but then had a cash shortage so had to put it off.
anyway while im waiting on money to get better I have been doing research through the net, talking to vets and other knowledgeable people.
what I have found out is that there is the possibility that the ribs also suffered the calcium deficiency ( is it MD or something like that , sorry mental blank)
as you can c in the pics on the link before I got her she had it fairly badly and has left her with a massive dent in the tail.
anyway just wanted to know your thoughts or if anyone has ever heard of this?

 

[SuburbanMe]

Metabolic Bone Disease is what your talking about.

From the pics you posted - it doesn't look like she's got MBD, normally MBD results in large mis-shapen growths - not overall plumpness.

 

[kupper]

in those photos she sure does look gravid , if there where broken ribs or anything like that you would have felt or seen it

i think when in doubt vet visits are a good idea but others may agree this one doesnt seem to be one of those instances

 

[miss2]

MBD thats it!
she has had it on her tail,not sure if u can c the large dent inbetween her tail and her back.

 

[moosenoose]

Interesting. Makes me think after reading a little bit on the subject it could be what has effected my prized male BTS. He's always been a bit of a fusspot as far as feeding is concerned. Perhaps it has caught up to him.

I hope all goes well for you

 

[SuburbanMe]

alot of people mistake kyphosis as MBD.

Kyphosis is basically having a hunchback - it's caused by trying to climb the walls of the enclosure. Alot of people say this is MBD - but they're wrong. If you notice any blueys climbing the walls all the time one of the best things you can do it continually feed it. When they have full bellies - they tend to not climb the walls.

Kyphosis mostly affects males as they are always trying to climb the walls come breeding time. However in saying that - it's not unheard of for it to appear in females.

 

[miss2]

i have never heard of that one before

 

[jewfish1]

Its a month or so since your last thread on this topic.

What does the bluey look like now and whats its general health?

I only paid $25 for an x-ray for one of my blueys. Not sure what ultrasound would cost though.

Still think you MUST get those tests done as you'll never know whats going on otherwise.

 

[SuburbanMe]

I agree with jewfish.
Hey jewfish - you like talapia?

 

[jinjajoe]

If it still looks the same...... I reckon its just a case of a big fat lizard......... if there is MBD it will be more apparent if some weight is lost............

 

[miss2]

she still looks exactly the same, still moody and still not eating well - i will be taking her next week. wow i wish i could get it done for 25 - i have been quoted a minimum of 150

 

[SuburbanMe]

$150 for an Ultrasound????

That's a bit rich - you don't need to be a genius to use the machine - hell, I've used one before.

I've seen blueys that have had bones broken and they've healed and they aren't swollen up at all. i highly doubt this is related to broken ribs - she may still be gravid - my girl is still gravid and she hasn't popped yet - shouldn't be too long though. she could just be fat. Females hold onto weight alot better than males.

 

[Renagade]

alot of people mistake kyphosis as MBD.

Kyphosis is basically having a hunchback - it's caused by trying to climb the walls of the enclosure. Alot of people say this is MBD - but they're wrong. If you notice any blueys climbing the walls all the time one of the best things you can do it continually feed it. When they have full bellies - they tend to not climb the walls.

Kyphosis mostly affects males as they are always trying to climb the walls come breeding time. However in saying that - it's not unheard of for it to appear in females.

Interesting... surely a puting it in an much larger enclosure or outdoor pit would be a more appropriate solution? I've never kept blueys before.

Is this what you mean suburbanme?

Looks nasty hey.

note: not my photos or animals, pics were blatantly copied from bluetongeskinks.net in the name of education. Appologies to the picture owners.

 

[SuburbanMe]

Out door pits can also fix the problem, however larger enclosures (IE: bigger tanks) doesn't always work. They see through the glass, but can't get through, so the try climbing up in hopes that they'll magically find a way out. Even in my outdoor pit, my blotchies still try climbing the walls, and it's 8ft X 4ft.

I couldn't see the pic btw, but it's probably what I'm talking about. I've been banned from that site due to me correcting Zach (the owner) and other various nonsense like calling one of my Easterns a pussy. He doesn't like it when people tell him that his caresheet is an over done mess that makes bluey keeping seem as if you need a diploma get into. On top of that - that caresheet actually says very little on the best temps for the individual species. I'm a moderator on another tiliqua site along with a couple of members of this forum. We take a more FACTUAL look at blueys, and have collected quite a few studies for members to download so we can actually educate people rather than fill their heads with opinion and nonsense. It's not all about how cute someones bluey looks in the nice sweater that they just finished knitting. :?

I'll take a pic of an Old eastern i have (she's been through the wars). she wasn't in the best condition when i got her - but she's winding her life down now, and looking worse and worse no matter what i do. She's around 20+yrs old.

 

[jewfish1]

Miss2,

Good to hear you'll be getting a professional opinion next week. This hopefully will shed some light on the lizards condition and appearance.

Barring some underlying medical issue, it may be gravid or obese. as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Please let us know the outcome.

Thanks