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Did anyone else watch the Sunday Night program last night? This story freaked me right out, as my children have picked up snails many many times! I had NEVER heard of anything like this before, imo it is really quite scary that it wasnt made public, i know my kids are not the only ones that love ooey gooey snails, & as a mum having no idea on the dangers.......well it makes me feel sick in the stomach! I understand they didnt want to create 'public fear' but seriously.......a bit of public knowledge really is needed, considering not one person i have spoke to knew anything about this worm, let alone that it can be spread through snails! My babies are now banned from even looking at them! ;)
 
A good parent should be worming their children and themselves every three months, ergo it shouldn't be a problem.

Seriously you can get worms by walking around bare foot, sounds like ur freaking out about a whole lot of nothing Bel.
 
waruikazi- i dont think this worm was treatable with worming tablets. I watched the show too, it was horrific what happened to these babies.
 
A good parent should be worming their children and themselves every three months, ergo it shouldn't be a problem.

Seriously you can get worms by walking around bare foot, sounds like ur freaking out about a whole lot of nothing Bel.

Well i am a GREAT parent then, my family IS wormed regularly! This worm is a whole different story, & it is not treatable or avoidable with worming tablets.......you obviously didnt watch the story, but thanks for ur input mate! :)
 
Sorry didn't mean to suggest you weren't a good parent. I didn't watch the story but it is sounding a bit like it's a little sensationalised and not really an issue in Australia.

Unless you are eating raw snails I really don't think you have too much to worry about in Australia Bel.
 
Just an over reaction Bel. Kids have been playing with snails for years without a problem. And as Waru said, unless they eat the snails there's no need to worry. Just get them to wash their hands after playing outside if you're worried.
 
It IS a problem in australia, & the worm is not only caught due to eating them, it is also caught through their slime. It hasnt been a HUGE problem in the past for Australia, but this worm is on the move & this year alone 1 baby girl is dead, 1 baby girl is still under going testing to see the extent of her brain damage due to contact with the slime, & a teenager boy has severe brain damage (he was dared to eat a slug). I dont mind if you feel it is an over reaction, but it is rapidly becoming more popular, & i know i will no longer be allowing my children to touch them at all, over reacting or not, imo its not something any parent should ignore.
 
The media blows most things out of proportion. Always scare tactics.
How many times do you see people letting their dogs lick their face?
That would be a lot worse...
That is one thing that turns my stomach. You can imagine what the dog would of been licking beforehand....yuk yuk yuk
 
Was possibly brought on by this story:

Man battles for life after eating slug infected with rat lungworm | News.com.au

"A SYDNEY man is critically ill after eating a slug as a dare, leading authorities to issue health warnings on devouring raw gastropods.

The 21-year-old contracted rat lungworm disease - a rare form of meningitis - after the stunt.

Rat lungworm disease is caused by Angiostrongylus cantonensis, a parasitic worm that is carried in the pulmonary arteries of rats. Larvae are excreted in the rat's droppings, which are often eaten by slugs and snails.

The disease can cause fatal swelling of the brain and spinal cord.

However, Jeremy McAnulty from New South Wales Health said most people do recover. He said the worm goes away by itself because the body's immune system eventually gets rid of it.

Dr McAnulty said people should not eat raw slugs or snails and should ensure they wash their hands after touching them.

"It is also important to thoroughly wash and cook any produce that could be contaminated by animals," he said.

The worm was found mainly in Asia and the Pacific Islands. It was rare for people to contract rat lungworm disease in Australia, but it occurred occasionally from eating an uncooked slug or snail, Dr McAnulty said.

Infected people may have no symptoms or only mild short-lived symptoms, he said.

Sometimes the infection causes meningitis, with symptoms such as headaches, stiff neck, tingling or pain in the skin, fever, nausea, and vomiting, Dr McAnulty said.

"Even if infected, most people recover fully without treatment," he said.

"However, it can sometimes cause severe meningitis.

"Because humans are not the natural host of the parasite, the parasite eventually dies without treatment."

Rat lungworm infection cannot be passed on to other people."
 
We often get slugs in our bathroom and as we have a 2 yr old we always close the door just in case. Its so easy for little ones to eat something and a parent to have no idea. People do need to know that this is out there, but i do agree that the media does sensationalise it to a point.

all the cases that were shown last night were within a 30km radius of each other.

This parasite is NOT spread by dogs, it is spread by black rats somehow (sorry, i missed the part of the show that explained how. )
 
From what I understand in the last 50 years there's been 10 cases.

Like all diseases that are serious, we should know they exist - and we should teach the dangers of eating raw or unwashed food.

But, there's far worse out there that people are just unaware of (also spread by rats) - for leptospirosis - a boy at my old school I taught at drank a can of coke that a rat must have ran over and a drop of urine landed on the can. He consumed the can, and subsequently the rat urine and contracted leptospirosis.

Did they talk about that?

What about botulism (not passed by rats) - but did you know curing garlic in oil to infuse the flavours could lead to deadly botulism!

All true.

But this one - the one you talk of Bel, is sensationalism.

it's good to be aware this sort of thing occurs - but don't go killing every slug and snail you see now because you think you're at risk!

You could always attract more birds to your property to eat more slugs and snails :)

Make sure rats are controlled. Etc etc! But seriously - don't put too much emphasis on worrying.

When I was young I used to build houses in the composting hay... I'd play in it all day. Who knew about the risk of legionella back then?

I sometimes wonder if we're no more at risk, but far more aware! In fact, too aware that we ruin our own immunity!
 
The point of the story is to scare you into doing one of four things...

1) watching the program.
2) telling others to watch the program
3) get you to buy something (not in this case)
4) so that any time you see a newspaper or magazine on the topic you will buy it.


That's all. Its not some new epidemic that will wipe out the population of the earth, as its been said our immune system will fight it in most cases anyway. Its rarer to get that than meningitis, but would you stop your kids from ever using a school tap? Probably not, because there hasn't been a "current affairs" program on it recently.
 
'Newtolovingsnake' it is spread from rats to snails through rat droppings. I am aware that the media over-react, but at the same time, try telling the parents of those baby girls that there is 'nothing to really worry about'. I will not be rushing out & killing all snails or slugs found in my yard, id be out there all day everyday basically, but i have told my children not to touch or go near them, & they always wash their hands after being outside anyway. Yes, there a very few cases in Australia over the last 50yrs, however the numbers have also drastically increased in the last year.......possibly due to the floods & another boom in the rat population. Im not a mother that is over sensitive about my kids & germs etc, but this is still one story i wish we had heard more about before now. Its a bit like red back spiders, we know the risks, therefor our kids dont touch them, to me, this is really no different.
 
hmm, my garden caught snails are coming up to a month of having being tubbed,...so theyre almost ready to eat,..
im kinda hesitant to feed them to my shingles now,.....anyone know if it affects them too?

hell, if i was a human mum id be paranoid as all hell, every kid likes to taste things like slugs, i know my brother often had them pulled out of his mouth as a kid,....sensationalism isnt always a bad thing if it makes people extra careful of things like this,.....
 
My thoughts exactly Chris, i would much rather be cautious then ignorant to the risks when it comes to the well being of my children! As for ur pets.......i have no idea what the effects are, if any, for reptiles.......i know they did mention it is possible for dogs & cats to catch it though.
 
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What are you going to do about the risk now that you know about it Bel?

Same thing ive done when it comes to red backs etc......the kids are not aloud to touch them.......& i dont see that as too drastic a measure. :)
 
The point of the story was to educate not scare, thru out the whole thing they kept saying "we had no idea a snail could do this" the neighbours said "we had no idea this could happen" and every body else they had told said the same thing.
As a mother i wouldnt really let my daughter play with snails and all that ewwy stuff but the problem is also thru their slime as well, which means washing floors/varandah's that have had snails and slugs crawl ascross them and wash all veggies. Its really not that hard to hose down a varandah if you want to be careful your child doesnt get this worm.

I thought the same thing too, i always catch snails and feed them to the blue tongue, does that mean he can get sick too or is it only with us? And i have caught wild rats near my bird cage.
 
Kimberly, my daughter is worse then my son when it comes to bugs & icky things & as i said, without knowing the risks, u dont think much about it, except the odd 'ewww yuck Tiarne, put it down & go wash your hands'. :) But yeah, they now have been told not to touch at all & as you said, it isnt hard to wash down surfaces outdoors after wet weather brings the snails out & about before letting the kids play. My 'babies' are both old enough to just be told to leave them alone, but when it comes to a 10mnth old......they have no idea, & as a parent if we know the risks, we would all of course be more careful! You are right about the education part, & when people are not even aware of this worm being in Australia, then imo, more education is obviously needed. I cant answer the effects on pets, they only mentioned cats & dogs last night......but it couldnt hurt to look into it a bit.
 
That is pretty logical, i thought you were going to suggest something draconian like not letting the kids outside lol.

Same thing ive done when it comes to red backs etc......the kids are not aloud to touch them.......& i dont see that as too drastic a measure. :)
 
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