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allright so ive had this male windorah stimmy for 8 months now he is allmost 2 years old and has/was eating until may and hasnt eaten since i know it was cooling time past months but he goes to take it and doesnt hes lost alot of weight aswell and want the best for him

any help would be appreciated
 
32 hot end have tried adult mice fuzzy rats anything that i think he could take a decent size enclosure not sure exact sizes
 
Stimmie hot ends I thought are supposed to reach 35?
tried fresh killed?/braining? or scenting with lizard etc?
If all that fails may need to force feed with a tube, kick him into gear that he needs food then maybe 5 days later trya food item.
 
What was his weight before he stopped eating and now? If you have not weighed him, how would you know if he has lost weight?
Personally I would get a general health check on him, which will/could include a blood test which would soon tell you if there is any infection or anything else going on, rather than people second guessing on a computer forum.
 
If he has lost a lot of weight I'd be looking into more than just trying to force feed him. He could have an internal parasite or something wrong. Three months with no food is no where near long enough to make a detrimental effect on a snake's condition unless something else is wrong. I don't know how to check for worms or parasites other than possible discoloured, foul smelling poops, some worms can be seen in the poops, and I even had a wild snake once who regurged nothing but a belly full of jelly and I found one, tiny live worm in it, even after he had undergone two lots of worm-treatment using canine all wormer from the vet. Unfortunately this snake escaped on me and I haven't seen him since so I can't offer any end result for him, but I certainly would not rule out having a vet check him over, tell him your concerns and he may do some tests to see if anything is wrong.
 
I would also be expecting an underlying disease. I would be going to the vet and getting a faecal float done. The vet will probably need to milk the poo out of the snake but they never completely empty themselves out so it should have some to offer up
 
i would heat him 24-7, brain the food and dip it in warm water before offering it to him, would maybe even get him out in the sun for a little while.
 
take him to the vet to check for a R.I, my carpet had one and hadnt eaten for 8months, she is so skinny it makes me sad, i had to force feed her the other week cause she still isnt eating after all the shots..
 
take him to the vet to check for a R.I, my carpet had one and hadnt eaten for 8months, she is so skinny it makes me sad, i had to force feed her the other week cause she still isnt eating after all the shots..

hang in there and I hope she comes good for you :)
 
Why is eveyone offering opinions - when we have not estabilished if there is a problem or not? I have a spotted (5yr) that has not eaten since April of this year, his weight from then until now with no food is a 25gm difference, normal for him. Weight loss can only be mentioned if the keeper has been weighing the pythons at a regular interval so to establish if there is a problem or not.
 
I don't even see what there is to worry about at this stage?..

For the record, my stimson is around the same age and still
is on and off his food
 
32 hot end have tried adult mice fuzzy rats anything that i think he could take a decent size enclosure not sure exact sizes

What is the temp getting down to of a night early morning? Having a hot end at 32c but a cool side that is too low can be enough to stop them feeding.
 
Why is eveyone offering opinions - when we have not estabilished if there is a problem or not? I have a spotted (5yr) that has not eaten since April of this year, his weight from then until now with no food is a 25gm difference, normal for him. Weight loss can only be mentioned if the keeper has been weighing the pythons at a regular interval so to establish if there is a problem or not.

Because the OP said his snake has lost a lot of weight.
 
Stimson's Pythons, males especially, are notorious for being spasmodic feeders. I would say it's perfectly normal for a male Stimson's to go off food in May, and not even show a flicker of interest in food until late spring or early summer. When this normally annual event occurs (it relates to seasonal changes in their natural habitats) the thing to do is to REDUCE the temps in the enclosure (even turn the heat off completely) and leave them until spring - no handling or other disturbances...

The reason your snake is losing weight is because its hormones are telling it it's winter and time to seek out a mate (they don't feed at this time), but the temps you are forcing on it are keeping its metabolism running at full speed, so its body is consuming energy but not replacing it.

Get it checked by a vet to make sure it doesn't have any other health problems (RI is common where the normal cycle is disrupted by improper management), then next year anticipate this change in behaviour and manage it appropriately.

Stimson's REGULARLY refuse to feed for months at a time, it's not an indicator of a problem, it's the way they are.

Jamie
 
But what is the weight loss? What did it weigh prior to when it stopped eating and now? Sometimes a visual can be misleading

I think if the owner says the snake has lost weight, you need to take their word for it. We cant see the animal nor do we have any idea of its body condition before now.


Jamies post above about the metabolism running at full but the snake acting like its winter makes perfect sense and is a logical answer but I personally havent had that experience. The two most recent examples would be my python that was not feeding for 2 month and maintained its weight (I was still weighing her during this period) despite having the heat on and
a wild coastal carpet python that is in care, hasnt eaten for over 2 months I withheld food due to some skull fractures and obviously the heat was on so that those fractures would continue to heal over winter and once again minimal weight loss.
Unless, are carpet pythons more efficient at maintaining their weight better than antaresia's Jamie?
 
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What Pythoninfinate said. My Antaresia males have just started feeding again after a few months of not feeding.
 
If you combine the thread title and the opening statement on weight loss, given that the OP has not described anything abnormal in the snake’s behaviour, I think it is a fair assumption that the PO considers there is a genuine problem with the amount of weight the snake has lost. While that may be the case, use of relative terms instead of absolute values, to describe the issue will not yield as accurate a picture of the animal’s perceived problem and the corresponding advice given will be similarly limited or have a rider attached. This is why Jamie has provided a possible likely explanation for the weight loss and suggested a vet check at the same time.

Brett Morton,
keeping basic records of feeding, defecating, sloughing (which you may already do) and weight and length measurements (every few months is all) can provide extremely useful information in diagnosis likely problems, by both other experienced keepers and vets.

Souldoubt,
The degree of weight loss of any snake that is not eating will depend on the degree of both external behaviour and also internal metabolism. Snakes with more fat storage lose comparatively less body heat; Snakes that are more physically active will use more food reserves; Those that coil tight vs loosely, will loose less heat; The rate of heat loss is also directly dependent on the difference between internal temperature and external temperature, along with the movement of air by wind or convection currents or both. Snakes that loose more heat tend to be more active in order to thermoregulate to compensate. I have not mentioned water but the degree of hydration will obviously have some effect but hopefully almost zero. Snakes are also known to grow through periods of long fasting and that is another metabolic process that can tap into their reserves.
I hope that helps explain some of the potential reasons for such differences.

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