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ma.broderick

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Hi folks,

New snake owner here.
I wanted to make sure my set up is suitable for my Darwin carpet python.
The UVB bulb I purchased doesn’t sit flush in the reflector dome like the basking light does, so I’ve had to add the safety basket onto it - refer to pics.
Will the UVB still serve its purpose with there being a gap between the dome and mesh top or should I replace the dome with one bigger (deeper)?

Thanks in advance
 

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cut a hole in the mesh lid and lower it into the enclosure. Mesh reduces the amount of UV by a large amount depending on the size of the mesh.
You will need to fasten the lamp by using cable ties or better still tie wire for a permanent closure to prevent escape possibility
 
It'll do just as good/bad a job if you set it up in another room or unplugged in a drawer somewhere. Whatever you do, you'll get all the benefits of the lamp. I've never used UV on any of my pythons, the oldest python hatched in 2001 and is still going strong.
 
Thanks for your replies. I was debating on whether or not to get a UVB as I’ve read pythons don’t need them but gave in to the “just in case” thought.
 
Thanks for your replies. I was debating on whether or not to get a UVB as I’ve read pythons don’t need them but gave in to the “just in case” thought.
A lot of people say snakes don't need UVB because they eat whole prey, maybe that is so with nocturnal snakes. But I think that all reptiles benefit from UV, they get it when basking. All my reptiles have UVB, wasted money or not. 1 last point, if whole prey (including calcium) was sufficient then lizards would not require UV either, we put calcium on their bugs !!!!
 
Thanks for your replies. I was debating on whether or not to get a UVB as I’ve read pythons don’t need them but gave in to the “just in case” thought.

I've seen UV cause more harm than good in Carpets. Well, considering I've never seen it do any good it's not hard to do more harm than good, but I have seen it cause harm.

A good tip is to look at what people who have been keeping them in large numbers for many years do. None of the people in that category use UV. This concept of looking at what the long term, large scale operators do works in most areas of life, not just Carpets, not just reptiles and not just animals.

Also, be sceptical of any advice which comes from anyone who will make more money if you believe it.
 
A lot of people say snakes don't need UVB because they eat whole prey, maybe that is so with nocturnal snakes. But I think that all reptiles benefit from UV, they get it when basking. All my reptiles have UVB, wasted money or not. 1 last point, if whole prey (including calcium) was sufficient then lizards would not require UV either, we put calcium on their bugs !!!!
Depends on the Reptile. Yes, Dragons need UVB. Although if the Dragon was big enough to eat sufficient whole prey maybe they would not need UVB?

I've never provided my Snakes with UVB and never had any problems (they still get some UVB exposure when I take them outside). So, who knows?

Monitors. I highly doubt it. Once the Monitor is bigger and can actually eat a reasonably developed whole prey item at least.

Maybe when they're smaller and the whole prey items (pnky mice / rats) don't have much bone / fur / not fully developed organs.
 
A lot of people say snakes don't need UVB because they eat whole prey, maybe that is so with nocturnal snakes. But I think that all reptiles benefit from UV, they get it when basking. All my reptiles have UVB, wasted money or not. 1 last point, if whole prey (including calcium) was sufficient then lizards would not require UV either, we put calcium on their bugs !!!!

You get snakes including pythons including Carpets spending their whole lives living in caves and not getting UV. Many reptiles never get exposure to UV, and being exposed to something naturally doesn't make it necessary or beneficial (parasites for example are a negative aspect of the environment, as are extreme weather events which kill a percentage of the population, as well as parasites, live prey which fights back, etc etc). Some aspects of the environment are neither harmful nor beneficial (you don't need to paint the ceiling of your lizard enclosures blue for example, even though they naturally live under a blue sky - they always get this but don't need it), and some are important.

Good husbandry does not at all mean replicating nature. Nature is a terrible environment which reptiles cope with, not do best with. To put it into some context, of all the offspring a female reptile produces in her lifetime, on average almost all die before maturing and only two successfully become adults and reproduce themselves. Only two - all the rest die before they have the chance. Wild reptiles are typically covered in parasites, scars and have nervous temperaments. Wild reptiles die from droughts, floods, heatwaves, cold winters and many other negative impacts. Heck, even humans which naturally get plenty of UV are constantly told about the dangers of natural UV exposure! Trying to provide something just because they get it in the natural world is not a good recipe for keeping animals happy and healthy - reptiles in our care typically do far better than wild reptiles, and so they should!

As for the 'whole prey' thing, that's never been a myth I have taken seriously and does not explain the biological mechanisms at work. I'd love to discuss it but it would take too long to type up the several pages necessary to explain it and no one would bother reading it, but 'whole prey' is not the explanation for why snakes don't need UV, and incidentally, I've kept lizards of a wide range of types for multiple consecutive generations without any UV, and experimenting with UV made no difference, but absolutely, supplements are necessary (and artificial UV doesn't mean you don't need supplements). This is too big a topic to get into properly here, but empirical evidence does show that in the context of a normal captive skink, gecko or monitor, UV is irrelevant but managing the diet is critically important, and this is perhaps where the 'whole prey' myth comes from. Just briefly, the big difference is that wild snakes eat exclusively whole animals, and this is what is done with captive reptiles, so it's all good. Wild lizards typically eat a wide range of feeds including fresh plants and invertebrates of a wide range which themselves have been eating a wide range of feeds including various fungi etc, and this variety is very difficult to replicate artificially, so we need to fortify their diet with the essential missing micronutrients, but simply adding UV to a normal unfortified captive diet does not prevent the problems.

No one makes money from telling you not to waste money on UV lamps, and plenty of people do make money from convincing you to use them, while people also earn social credit for advocating them. This being the case, the myth is likely to persist indefinitely. But, as an example, look at the people breeding monitors, skinks and geckoes on a large scale, for money, whose income relies on their animals being in good health and having high reproductive output - they do not use UV.

And again, illustrating the point that natural does not mean harmless, the global consensus view among health officials is for humans to stay out of the sun and not get the natural amount of sunlight. I actually don't agree with this advice, but it does clearly show that UV is harmful along with any benefits it provides, so if it's not providing benefits to some species, it's best not used, and without any doubt, the harm can outweigh the benefits in some cases, and this is especially likely with artificial UV sources which have varying spectral outputs (and if you want to believe the 'natural is best' myth, aritifical UV lamps never mimic the natural light spectrum).
 
Depends on the Reptile. Yes, Dragons need UVB. Although if the Dragon was big enough to eat sufficient whole prey maybe they would not need UVB?

I've never provided my Snakes with UVB and never had any problems (they still get some UVB exposure when I take them outside). So, who knows?

Monitors. I highly doubt it. Once the Monitor is bigger and can actually eat a reasonably developed whole prey item at least.

Maybe when they're smaller and the whole prey items (pnky mice / rats) don't have much bone / fur / not fully developed organs.

Dragons I'm not entirely sure about (you can see in my posts above I didn't mention them). I've never experimented with dragons or any of the lizard groups not found in Australia - I'd love to do it with iguanas, anoles, and several others. I have my hypotheses but haven't tested them so won't comment.

I think the 'whole vertebrate prey' thing has an element of factual basis but it definitely doesn't tell the whole story. I've certainly bred skinks, geckoes for consecutive healthy generations with no UV or vertebrate feed sources.
 

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