AHHHHH stupid bush

[soulweaver]

I'll take a positive leaf out of the US's book during the war with Japan as an example of the US and it's rebuilding record for what could be considered as rougue countries - Japan was certainly one of them!

Yeah sure At the horror of Hiroshima and Nagasaki being levelled by a US Atomic bomb, it has always been the US who has stood by our country at an enormous unnecessary cost to them and prevented us from being - now read this carefully - TAKEN OVER - by the japanese. I'm not condoning that everything they have done in the past has been right, but I'm certainly not saying they've done everything wrong either. After the bombing of those two japanese cities who else was it but the United States to build it up again - also at considerable cost - manage it, and turn it back over to the japanese hierarchy as an economic superpower.

The reason The U.S prevented the take over of Australia was because England said they didn't need the U.S fleet in the U.K's war agaisnt Germany. When Australia was under threat from the Japenese they requested to the English Government for the return of Australian Soilders to fight to save Australia, the British wouldn't let the Aust Soldiers come home so then australia turned to america for help. America agreed to help only if england didn't need them, which they didn't.

This is why they saved Aust, this is why we have strong ties with america now, the other big tie is the fact that we helped them in the space race as they couldn't see their astronauts all the time.

As for the A-bomb that was another sort of race, germany who was ahead of the world in means of technology during ww2 was trying to build the A-bomb as well, the drop on Japan was to say to the world we have the power, and 2nd of all end the fighting with japan, which was over trade anyway.

Yes america helped to rebuild what they destroyed but i think this was for two reasons. One being the imapct of the bomb, and the devestating effect it had, and in part still has today. The other is prevention, the U.S still, i believe have a military base in Japan....


They are now getting the costs for rebuilding Japan through trade, as Japan is clever when it comes to newer and better things on the technological field.

So my point to all this is, i think that America may have gone for iraq to improve their economy. Using the war agaisnt terror and weps of mass destruction as a front for getting 'their' foot into the middle east. I'd be interested to see what happens over the next few years as iraq starts to set itself straight again.

P.S-- Not having a go at you at all moose.......sorry if it seemed that way Just giving my 5cents worth.

(sorry for my longest post ever)

 

[moosenoose]

Yes that's all you can do I think Slatey :wink: - if we believe so much in it, and fight like we have for it for so long for it, we should at least have faith in it.

ps: No offence at all taken Souly :lol: :wink: It's just my blaring point of view :lol: Japan is indeed a very clever country - it's by all in it's nature of being called the sleeping giant.

 

[soulweaver]

yeah i agree with the sleeping Giant part, but today i'd be watching china a bit closer.....

 

[moosenoose]

and Korea lol

 

[womas4me]

Japan still has restrictions in force against it today in terms of militry power i believe. We dont have too many worries in Australia about being occupied by a foreign force. If you think about it most of the north of aust is uninhabited and remote with alot of nasties and not too much in the way of sustenance. So even if they can land and occupy, it wont take much to cut supply lines or to remove the occupying force. We have the quietest subs, the best remote areas troops, we know the land and would be fighting to defend our country. Hard to beat a force fighting to protect their country cause their hearts are in it. Indonesia is definately a force to be reckoned with but i dont think they are a threat to us.

 

[soulweaver]

I will agree with that W4M, and IMO Aust also has the best troops in the world, just not as many.

But we do also need to keep in mind that Germany had similar restrictions at the end of WW1, but they still managed to launch a war.

 

[moosenoose]

Indonesia is definately a force to be reckoned with but i dont think they are a threat to us.

Urrg - don't be too overly confident about that :roll: They'd squash us like a bug.

 

[soulweaver]

i'd reckon they'd use suicide bombers as well, something the brits yanks and aussies will never do, And also the sheer numbers that would come in to play.

 

[Guest]

Indonesia is definately a force to be reckoned with but i dont think they are a threat to us.

Urrg - don't be too overly confident about that :roll: They'd squash us like a bug.

I think it would be like putting a red back spider on a bull ants nest, we wouldnt go down without a hell of a fight, but in the end we would be done!

Thats to say if we are not helped by the Yanks and other allies. But heres hoping we never have to go through it!

War is a terrible thing for everyone, whether you win or lose.

 

[womas4me]

I'm not so sure moose. They only have two ways to get here, air or sea. If they come by sea they are goners. We have the quietest subs in the world and aust has proven this many times to the goobers. One of our O boats got underneath a yank supercarrier. That is no mean feat to get past an entire battlefleet and the sub they have with it. Those guys took photos of the prop on the carrier and one of the captain smoking a cigar on the deck. Great job. It is very hard also to successfully fly a large number of troops over without the slow sluggish troop carriers getting shot down. Plus the kiwis would get in on the job and their pilots possess so much natural aggression in their flying the manage to outdo our hornets with their older planes in a dogfight.

 

[Fuscus]

Indonesia couldn't invade us, its army is only a danger to Indonesians. They are far too ill-disciplined and corrupt to fight anything higher than tribes with a few guns. If they came through Darwin our pilots would just pick off the supply lines, perhaps even let them get to Alice (with the towns water supply suitably modified) and hold them there for the summer. The other way is via Cape York down the east coast. Here guerilla tactics would break the supply lines.
The Russians have three generals that have never been defeated, Generals Mud, Snow and Distance. We have Generals Heat, Sand and Distance (he moonlights ).
There are two other factors, Indonesia contains a number of provances that would rise up if they have the occasion and encouragement. If the army attempted to invade Australia, Indonesia would fragment.
The second factor is the F1-11. It is a long range fighter-bomber that can reach Jakarta. However it can only deleiver a small ordinance as it is not designed for conventional weapons. This implies that we have ( or can obtain quickly ) "other" weapons and can deliver them

 

[instar]

I say watch those Molvanians! Never trust anyone who's staple diet is Turnips ! :lol:
Could be Molvanian subs in sydney harbour right now! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[NoOne]

LMAO inny.

I can't believe theres so many people here into politics :shock:

 

[moosenoose]

..........or old rock'n roll avatars :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink: