Anti Gay America, Rick Perry

[Monitor_Keeper]

Ha ha, If it was each to their own the whole world would be gay : )

Would fix our current population dillema

 

[10hcaro]

If anyone uses Leviticus as a justification of an anti-gay standpoint, I just ask "Oh, is it near the part which condemns shellfish consumption and clothing woven with two different fabrics?". That usually stumps them

 

[Jay84]

Would fix our current population dillema

Maybe being gay is your gods way of population control?

 

[souldoubt]

I couldn't care less if someone is gay, I dont see why that should cause them to be treated any differently. I'm not entirely sure why they would want the right to marriage but I guess I'm just missing that human trait - which is funny since I seem to be the only one in my family who doesnt understand the significance of marriage.
If a gay couple wants to get married then they should be able to, a perfect point was mentioned before about if people being married multiple times destroys the sanctity of marriage. I have heard some claim it's because there's a lot of infidelity in the gay community - like there isn't in the 'straight' community?

I think that such tripe (like "marriage should be between a man and a woman") is just because religion has told people that being gay is wrong for so long that this prejudice will always exist in a portion of society. I'm so over religion still affecting all of us - even those who dont believe in fairytales (this is my opinion - sorry if it offends any of the "believers" on the forum.

The gay community has my full support in their fight for equality.

 

[Flaviruthless]

What does religion have to do with two people loving each other? I don't hear texts from "Breaking Dawn" by Stephanie Meyer being used in speeches about particle physics?

 

[DarkDefender]

I really hope that today's gen Y (which I am a part of) can help change things for the better. I know people who are anti gay let alone gay marriage (generally aged between 35-60). I have asked them before (with No real response) if their son/daughter was to say they were gay, would they want them to be happy/support then. They would never answer, I always push the issue with these people. There reasoning is normally that marriage should be between a man & woman. I always ask why? To this day I have never had a good response other then based on their intolerant views (sometimes reasoned with religion, sometime just their stupidity)

Or as Sidney Poitier says in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner "You are 30 years older than I am. You and your whole lousy generation believes the way it was for you is the way it's got to be. And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs!"
He is talking in a different context but I think it can easily apply to this..

 

[Snakewoman]

I have never heard a Christian give a proper reason why they don't think gays should be able to get married or be together at all. I've only ever seen them repeat what their church leaders have told them. The major problem is that most of these people don't question what they're told, they just blindly believe what they're told to. I've seen this many times myself since I had spent 7 years in different churches. I haven't seen that level of ignorance anywhere else before. It's very easy for people to condemn gays when they don't know any. Until someone close to them comes out they don't have to deal with it, so when they do reality hits them very hard. My brother is gay and mu mpther and I never had a problem with it. Anytime someone starts with that "It's a choice" crap we explain what my brother has gone through, if it was a choice he would have chosen to be straight so he wouldn't have to go through so much turmoil and put up with crap from ignorant people!

 

[Monitor_Keeper]

Yup we christians are all ignorant people who only believe what we are told..

 

[Snakewoman]

Sorry, but most of them do. I've seen it many times.

 

[Flaviruthless]

Yup we christians are all ignorant people who only believe what we are told..

As long as it comes from the Bible...

 

[souldoubt]

Yup we christians are all ignorant people who only believe what we are told..

Not with the purpose of starting an argument but would you like to give us an example of what you dont believe that a priest or other figures of faith have told you?

It's clear that the belief being gay is abnormal or wrong (although homosexual behavior occurs in the vast majority of species on the planet) has come from religious views, which really is a bunch of stuff that has been told to you - I mean there is no proof that these bible stories actually happened or that these bible quotes were ever said - theres no hard evidence so it requires faith.

 

[vampstorso]

Very clever jay, you can roll your eyes

I would state it's a higher level of "clever" than your "Adam and Steve" comment...

Because...it's very "clever" to suggest people should live their lives based on a hateful little rhyme and all.


As for "population control", living a God free life (you know...like the one that accepts gays for the human beings they are and always will be) that allows for contraception solves that too!

I find it most amusing most people who use slurs from the bible as rationing too their views, have likely never read it. And why may they pick and choose what parts too live by? Would you also like to see anyone who works on a Sunday stoned?

 

[KaotikJezta]

Hey I'd want to be stoned if I had to work on Sunday......oh, you mean the other kind of stoned with rocks and stuff

 

[D3pro]

I think there are a lot of wrongs in this world, but if you choose to be gay then it's your business. People need to stop forcing their agendas on others.

 

[abnrmal91]

God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve * Zips flame suit up *

Can I ask how old you are tekno? Do you have any kids?
As a human do you not feel empathy for your fellow mans (& woman's) suffering/injustice or does this injustice bring a smile to your face?

What I love is that the bible contradicts itself, the general message is be nice to others. However people us the bits they want to deny people their human rights.

I will leave it at that for now, what I want to say would get me booted of APS.

 

[slim6y]

I got a PM from mmafan with the title: I may be moving to New Zealand sooner than I thought.

"Former governor of Texas...now Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry....Is currently polling 3rd or 4th in the Republican presidential primary.


So yeah I may be leaving America shortly...."

Sorry mmafan if I put this out there and you didn't want me to - but I think you've highlighted a wonderful point. Americans DON'T have to put up with this rubbish! They have a choice, a freedom to move and a freedom to VOTE!

There are enough rednecks in America (and other countries) that would love to see the vote through - but, if you can start by getting the right people on the right side, there's no way on EARTH Prick Erry will get in to power!

"On 19 September 1893 the governor, Lord Glasgow, signed a new Electoral Act into law. As a result of this landmark legislation, New Zealand became the first self-governing country in the world in which all women had the right to vote in parliamentary elections."

It's not much different to that. And again, does NZ really have to lead the way with everything?

"Civil union has been legal in New Zealand since 26 April 2005. The Civil Union Act to establish the institution of civil union for same-sex and opposite-sex couples was passed by the Parliament on 9 December 2004."

Not to mention anti-nuclear stance etc etc... but that's off track.

Now before everyone goes bashing up Christians because of their anti-gay stances - check again, it's a minority in some cases. In NZ, again, some of the biggest debate FOR civil unions came from Christian groups - now, this isn't my side of things (of course) but when you see that there is a majority of people out there, although slender as it is, any vote for is a good vote!

So - it is possible to get the voter to vote the right way... It's a matter of getting out there to make it HAPPEN!

By the way - here's how NZ parties voted for Civil Unions:

Party Voted For Voted Against
Labour Party 45 6
National Party 3 24
New Zealand First 1 12
ACT 5 4
Green Party 9 0
United Future 0 8
Progressive Party 2 0
Maori Party 0 1
Totals 65 55

Spot the Christian party....

Sorry - the formatting didn't work here - if you want to see the page Civil union in New Zealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Labour was in power - so National would naturally vote against.

 

[littlemay]

I mean there is no proof that these bible stories actually happened or that these bible quotes were ever said - there's no hard evidence so it requires faith.

Hi, i'm not christian however i would be careful in saying these sorts of things; I study ancient history, particularly epigraphy and papyrology, and there is actually historical evidence for some of the happenings in the bible (not that they are recorded in anyway objectively of course). Not trying to be rude, just don't want brash comments stated in ignorance starting a fight =]

 

[-Katana-]

God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve * Zips flame suit up *

I personally see being an ignorant bigot as being a greater sin than being gay.

Here I'll even quote your own fairy-tale back at you.

[h=4]Matthew 7[/h][h=5]Judging Others[/h] [SUP]1[/SUP] “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. [SUP]2[/SUP] For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. [SUP]3[/SUP] “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [SUP]4[/SUP] How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? [SUP]5[/SUP] You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

[Fuscus]

These same people are fairly quiet on the sanctity of marriage when Hollywood celebs get married four or five times. But gee, we better not let the gay folk get married.

Yeh well, Newt Gingrich Marraige (NG is the current GOP front runner, fortunately he appears unelectable )

 

[Bel03]

You would think that in the world we live, with all the many REAL problems we have, that this stupid argument would be dropped by now........i mean lets worry about the things that actually affect us as a whole.........who people go to bed with at night is really not one of them! A friend of mine lost her brother to suicide, he felt he couldnt stay here cause he was gay.........that is terrible! Why cant it be that easy to 'get rid' of the people causing REAL problems.......such as those who rape & hurt innocent babies........why cant we make things as hard for them as we do for people who are gay........they may decide this place is too hard for them to live in & do us all a favor! I would rather live in a street full of gay couples then live with most of the straight couples that i do!