Bloody Disgusting

[Lewy]

Just watching Animal Extractors on channel 7 and was totally disgusted by how the Alligator Agents as they called themselves caught their alligators. A huge sharp four pronged hook on a fishing line that they cast towards the alligator and hook it into whatever body part it hits then drag them in. On top of that they don't relocate the gators but kill them instead. Just watched them catch a baby gator about four foot long by snagging it through its foot and dragging it to the waters edge by it's foot. :x

On a better note they also showed bear relocating and as they released they bear they shot it with rubber buckshot and yelled at it to hopefully reinstill the bear's fear of humans. Whilst that sounds a bit cruel it is done to deter the bears from coming back into human areas which if they continued to do they will be euthanised.

Sue

 

[GSXR_Boy]

They also had a rattle snake relocater on there too.

I too thought it was slack killing the 'gator.

 

[waruikazi]

Do you have a better option for them to use? Did you know that aussie crocs are harpooned or shot if they can't be trapped.

 

[Lewy]

[QUOTE=waruikazi;1473917]Do you have a better option for them to use? Did you know that aussie crocs are harpooned or shot if they can't be trapped.[/QUOTE]

Well I guess that just makes everything ok then These guys made no attempt to trap them at all. Straight to dragging them in with a hook and glorifying it all the way.

Sue

 

[redbellybite]

Well no two guesses what pee'd me off .....regarding the catching of the rattlesnake .....

 

[Lewy]

Yer gotta love those squishy tongs. Love the way he said 'you can tell he's aggitated by the way he's rattling'. No ****, you would be aggitated too if you had your guts squashed like that!

Sue

 

[JasonL]

Well no two guesses what pee'd me off .....regarding the catching of the rattlesnake .....

lol, well your not going to tail a viper are you :lol:, they are a bit rough with them, most of the time they can just flick them into a bag with a hook....but each to their own, better than a shovel.

 

[redbellybite]

Well considering the so called 'GENTLE GIANTS" are made in the USA you would think at least if your a tong user ...then the wider tong should be used ...not that barbaric rib breaking ,skin tearing piece of rubbish he was using ....

 

[cris]

Is there any reason to think harpooning a gator is worse or even as bad as fishing with hooks? I didnt see it but when i have seen similar things used on crocs on Aussie shows it caused no noticeable harm.

 

[JasonL]

Is there any reason to think harpooning a gator is worse or even as bad as fishing with hooks? I didnt see it but when i have seen similar things used on crocs on Aussie shows it caused no noticeable harm.

Well, there is a bit of difference really; ie, the specially designed harpoon head is thrown into the thick skin on the crocs back, the oversizes trebles are just randomly jagged into the gators, and could possibly go through it's eye ect..personally, I thought it was a bit Un professional.

 

[waruikazi]

Well I guess that just makes everything ok then These guys made no attempt to trap them at all. Straight to dragging them in with a hook and glorifying it all the way.

Sue

I don't recall saying it wasok. I'm asking you, do you have a more efficient, less harmful and safer way or removing these gators? If you do i'm sure they would love to hear about it.

 

[redbellybite]

Well, there is a bit of difference really; ie, the specially designed harpoon head is thrown into the thick skin on the crocs back, the oversizes trebles are just randomly jagged into the gators, and could possibly go through it's eye ect..personally, I thought it was a bit Un professional.

:evil: agreed it was cruel watching it ..and the fact they were acting in a cowboy way made it worse to watch ....I agree with Lewy ...I dont know why they couldnt relocate ...very sad...if it had been fluffy and cute ..outrage wouldve been top priority ..how dare they snag and drag that poor cougar or bear cub and then kill it ....but as it is a revolting reptile.. all cold and slimey ...everyone turn a blind eye now

 

[JasonL]

I don't recall saying it wasok. I'm asking you, do you have a more efficient, less harmful and safer way or removing these gators? If you do i'm sure they would love to hear about it.

more efficient? well thats the problem isn't it..time and $$$$ means less respect for the animal.

 

[waruikazi]

:evil: agreed it was cruel watching it ..and the fact they were acting in a cowboy way made it worse to watch ....I agree with Lewy ...I dont know why they couldnt relocate ...very sad...if it had been fluffy and cute ..outrage wouldve been top priority ..how dare they snag and drag that poor cougar or bear cub and then kill it ....but as it is a revolting reptile.. all cold and slimey ...everyone turn a blind eye now

Redbelly you should know as well a i do that reptiles don't relocate well. The majority of the snakes we relocate will die, my opinion on this is atleast they are going back into the food chain but the majority will die none-the-less.

Here in the Territory crocs aren't relocated. They relocate worse than snakes and i don't see how a gator would be that different. Crocs can be dropped nearly 1000km out to sea and they will still find their way back to their original territory. Instead they are sent to 'croc farms' and what do you think happens to them their? If they are lucky they will go into a breeding program, in which case they are pushing another older animal out of a job (what do you think happens to the old boy?) if they aren't lucky they become produce.

As for snagging the crocs being cruel. Have you seen the state of crocs when they come out of the steal traps? Smashed teeth, half the skin on their face ripped up and then there's the ones that try and turn around in the trap only to get stuck and drown. It's nasty, the animal will feel pain and become stressed and maybe even die during the capture. It is unfortunate but these things happen, capturing a wild predator is not easy or risk free for any of the parties involved.

Atleast they were being honest about the fate of the animal.

 

[waruikazi]

more efficient? well thats the problem isn't it..time and $$$$ means less respect for the animal.

You're right Jas i forgot that their is an infinite ammount of money and time to spend on animal captures. I'm totally stoked that you managed to overlook my two other points and chose to hone in on one, possibly the weakest reason, to make a strawman.

The quicker the capture, in majority of cases, the safer for all involved. Do you disagree?

 

[redbellybite]

Gordo ...why would you say most of my snakes that I relocate will die?...I dont understand why you think that ?.....I was making a point that had it been of a furry or cute nature more effort would be put into catching ,even if they had to euth it ,it would have been handled in a more respectful way ...as reptiles sadly only intrigue a small minority of people ,compared to the furry animal lovers and so they do not get the respect or the care needed that no doubt if it had fur would get ...even you would have to see this ...

 

[waruikazi]

I'm explaining why they don't relocate them and drawing an analogy to another type of reptile. It's not just your snakes that will die it is the majority of relocated snakes. They don't cope well with the change and they will generally die.

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

I dont know about your area gordo, but here in southern Vic, the releases
are quite successful.
I have kept tabs on released animals from my surrounding areas and a few have
come through the catch and release fine.
The secret is to release as close the the capture spot as possible and as soon as possible after capture.
I reckon you gotta give them more credit. Their survival instincts are strong and i cant see why you say they "generally" die.
Like I said, in Darwin, it may be different ballgame because they are further from the top
of the food chain than here.

 

[Lewy]

Here's a thought how about getting more educated (at school may be) and learn to live with the animals that surround you. It disgusts me that people are so friggin ignorant to the fact that we as humans are not the most important animal on this planet

Lewy

 

[waruikazi]

I dont know about your area gordo, but here in southern Vic, the releases
are quite successful.
I have kept tabs on released animals from my surrounding areas and a few have
come through the catch and release fine.
The secret is to release as close the the capture spot as possible and as soon as possible after capture.
I reckon you gotta give them more credit. Their survival instincts are strong and i cant see why you say they "generally" die.
Like I said, in Darwin, it may be different ballgame because they are further from the top
of the food chain than here.

Righto i'll accept that. I know the survival rates increase the closer and sooner you release them to where they were collected but i think you are missing the point of my argument.