Carbon Tax - Is your opinion based on how much you make?

[Naga_Kanya]

Does anyone else think she's an antidote for Viagra? 8)

I really do look forward to a day when our female politicians, regardless of how we feel about their policies, aren't spoken about in terms of their sexual attractiveness or lack thereof, but rather their efficacy in office, as our male politicians are.

 

[moosenoose]

Well it'd help if she had something else to offer other than hot carbon dioxide flowing out of her trap

 

[Radar]

Those who make good money don't neccesarily have greater disposable incomes than those who make less. Many people live within their means -
they make more money but have greater debts.

Not that Im trying to start a fight here (seriously, I probably won't even look back at this thread :lol, but in my view as an average income earner in a relationship with an average income earner, living within your means -means- NOT taking loans. If you are living within your means, you don't use credit, you save till you have the money then you buy. If you life on credit cards and have an 800k debit on your house, you are living well outside your means and need to reign it in a bit. We run 2 cars, close to a hundred reptiles, a big dog and don't live too poorly, and will have the money to buy a house outright in 3-4 years saving as we are while paying rent. No credit cards and no loans, just budget and logic.

 

[sesa-sayin]

I support it and I am a retired engineer (self funded < $50k pa) who may not be retired for much longer as I've been head-hunted and could soon find myself working again and back in the big money (> $180k pa base) - I'll still support it and hope to be able to make a real physical impact in helping my new employer stay viable and reduce their carbon footprint.

I made my home thermally efficient 20 years ago when it wasn't trendy and there were no tax incentives to do so or free schemes to do it. Been benefiting from my efforts ever since.

I do not support using the Uranium fuel cycle - for engineering, physics, safety, waste disposal and proliferation reasons. We have much more Thorium and this is much better and the Thorium fuel cycle is what Australia should be using as well ad UCC, NG fired trigen power gen and maybe some renewables and distributed micro power generation schemes.

................... everything, everything, everything............. ultimatey comes from the soil . there is nothing material which does not. you are comfortably retired on $50,000 plus..............poor by comparison to me ... That you are prepared , at that level of comfort, to re-enter the work-force to earn even more money, when you do not need it, shows your level of genuine commitment which you have to the environment................NIL< NIX NACIMCIT, NONE ...... stay retired... let someone else have the money........

 

[abnrmal91]

Well I just worked out it will cost me approximately $520 in increased cost of living minus the $3 dollar tax break I get lol. So approximately $517 for the year. But I don't mind paying that, it's only 1 Saturdays overtime.

 

[PimmsPythons]

at the end of the day,any carbon tax in australia will mean diddly squat for the pollution and global warming for the world. speaking from experience, unless these massively,over-polluted, over-populated countries like india,china, s.e.asia ect. make an effort on fixing their pollution issues, australia's effort wont mean anything. it will just be more money out of our pocket for next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. australia is not the problem.
cheers
simon

 

[ianinoz]

................... everything, everything, everything............. ultimatey comes from the soil . there is nothing material which does not. you are comfortably retired on $50,000 plus..............poor by comparison to me ... That you are prepared , at that level of comfort, to re-enter the work-force to earn even more money, when you do not need it, shows your level of genuine commitment which you have to the environment................NIL< NIX NACIMCIT, NONE ...... stay retired... let someone else have the money........

Hey. Back off mate.

They contacted me, not the other way around.

I retired early so if I decide to return to the workforce (if they make me an offer that is too lucrative to refuse) then why not. Not that I need the extra money. It'll mean I can buy some extra luxuries (big boat, mobile home, new 4wd to replace the trusty old beast, more camera gear, some expensive trips sooner).... if you have use it.

I'd be just as happy to stay retired and enjoy living for my family and doing as I please.

BTW - I don't appreciate being personally attacked by you.

 

[spilota_variegata]

Rednut, I never get upset over people expressing their opinions - you're not going to start a fight here.

Regardless of the amount you make, it is sometimes necessary to take out loans. If you're going to buy any reasonable house, close to say Sydney, it's going to set you back at least a million dollars. Hypothetically speaking, if two people on average incomes (your situation as stated), saved every cent they made, it would take about 15 years to save enough to pay cash for a million dollar house. In that 15 years, the house would probably increase in value by about 50 percent, meaning that you'd have to save for another 7 years to buy the house. In that time, the house would increase by another 25 percent which means you have to work for another 3 years..... This is assuming you haven't eaten anything, didn't have any cars and you got rid of all of your animals. I assume that the money you have saved thus far is a combination of savings and a handout or inheritance, considering you are 24 years of age.

Being an average wage earner, you probably pay little if any tax after government rebates etc. When all is said and done, average wage earners pay very little tax.

I do commend you for getting your life sorted out at such a young age. If you decide to have children, be prepared for all your plans to be turned upside down and inside out.

For interests sake, did you vote yes or no for the carbon tax?

Not that Im trying to start a fight here (seriously, I probably won't even look back at this thread :lol, but in my view as an average income earner in a relationship with an average income earner, living within your means -means- NOT taking loans. If you are living within your means, you don't use credit, you save till you have the money then you buy. If you life on credit cards and have an 800k debit on your house, you are living well outside your means and need to reign it in a bit. We run 2 cars, close to a hundred reptiles, a big dog and don't live too poorly, and will have the money to buy a house outright in 3-4 years saving as we are while paying rent. No credit cards and no loans, just budget and logic.

 

[wokka]

at the end of the day,any carbon tax in australia will mean diddly squat for the pollution and global warming for the world. speaking from experience, unless these massively,over-polluted, over-populated countries like india,china, s.e.asia ect. make an effort on fixing their pollution issues, australia's effort wont mean anything. it will just be more money out of our pocket for next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. australia is not the problem.
cheers
simon

Why do poeple try to find the worst situation to set their standards by, rather than doing the best that they are capable of?. I cant imagine that India or China produce near the per head pollution, or consume the per head energy that Australians do. If they did there would be nothing left!

 

[FAY]

I really do look forward to a day when our female politicians, regardless of how we feel about their policies, aren't spoken about in terms of their sexual attractiveness or lack thereof, but rather their efficacy in office, as our male politicians are.

Here here.

 

[abnrmal91]

Actually thinking about it I am already paying 1/2 what the carbon tax will cost me a year supporting ACF (Australian conservation foundation). That should make me nice and unpopular with everyone that said no to the carbon tax. I increased how much I was donating so that ACF could campaign for it. have a nice day lol. It may not be much what Australia is doing but it's a start.

 

[moosenoose]

at the end of the day,any carbon tax in australia will mean diddly squat for the pollution and global warming for the world. Speaking from experience, unless these massively,over-polluted, over-populated countries like india,china, s.e.asia ect. Make an effort on fixing their pollution issues, australia's effort wont mean anything. It will just be more money out of our pocket for next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. Australia is not the problem.
Cheers
simon

bingo!!

 

[junglepython2]

................... everything, everything, everything............. ultimatey comes from the soil . there is nothing material which does not. you are comfortably retired on $50,000 plus..............poor by comparison to me ... That you are prepared , at that level of comfort, to re-enter the work-force to earn even more money, when you do not need it, shows your level of genuine commitment which you have to the environment................NIL< NIX NACIMCIT, NONE ...... stay retired... let someone else have the money........

People like ianinoz who command the big dollars and pay the big taxes are the reason lower income earners receive all the tax breaks and refunds that they do. You should be glad he is going back to work.

 

[spilota_variegata]

People like ianinoz who command the big dollars and pay the big taxes are the reason lower income earners receive all the tax breaks and refunds that they do. You should be glad he is going back to work.

Probably the most truthful comment I've seen for a while.

 

[ianinoz]

"can command", yet to decide if I want the job and the inconvenience.

A general observation if I may.
It's my experience on a wide variety of message boards and on facebook discussions that those who
= don't know what they are talking about and know it often resort to personalising it, making personal attacks
= and those who have a very weak case do the same.

This is why I tend to avoid political discussions, people who don't know squat enter them and regurgitate BS they've read or heard that comes from others who also know nothing, and they spread misinformation and engage in scaremongering, and they have no interest in having an informed discussion of the facts, the science or the engineering (as is appropiate here). I've seen a lot of this in this thread.

Having said that, I'm bailing from this thread.

 

[moosenoose]

But why??? :lol: This is a fun thread about a crappy decision the red setter has barked about and is about to involve us all in

 

[Mayo]

Well now that all the info has been released we can see just how big of a joke it really is.

 

[PimmsPythons]

Why do poeple try to find the worst situation to set their standards by, rather than doing the best that they are capable of?. I cant imagine that India or China produce near the per head pollution, or consume the per head energy that Australians do. If they did there would be nothing left!

i accept the fact that per person, australians use more energy.we also have a much higher quality of life.but that isn't the problem. we have 23 million people in a country that is 7687 sq km.india is less than half our size at 3288sq km and has 1.36 billion people crammed into it full of old, unefficient ,high polluting cars,trucks, ,industries etc.they are also joined alongside other large polluting countries. australia is a big country with a small population surrounded by big oceans.i was in india in febuary and it was the first time i have seen a white plane get stained brown while landing in new delhi from pollution.their air is as thick as mud.i could stare at the sun at midday without sunnies.if these countries arent fixed up first then the little bit we do wont change anything in the long term

 

[FusionMorelia]

where's the no and i earn nowhere even close to 50k a year?
taxes happen i dont even care any more, if you vote no(GST) they put it in anyway you say no to selling telstra and power they do it anyway , you cant complain you cant change it as soon as a new tax is proposed it passes regardless if we want or need it, its in its here for good deal with it.. im in a category thats forgotten in Australia so im already dead in the water i just float with the current

Nato

 

[wokka]

i accept the fact that per person, australians use more energy.we also have a much higher quality of life.but that isn't the problem. we have 23 million people in a country that is 7687 sq km.india is less than half our size at 3288sq km and has 1.36 billion people crammed into it full of old, unefficient ,high polluting cars,trucks, ,industries etc.they are also joined alongside other large polluting countries. australia is a big country with a small population surrounded by big oceans.i was in india in febuary and it was the first time i have seen a white plane get stained brown while landing in new delhi from pollution.their air is as thick as mud.i could stare at the sun at midday without sunnies.if these countries arent fixed up first then the little bit we do wont change anything in the long term

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