elapid envenomation???
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Jessica_lee
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i was under the impression that venom was milked from snakes and in small doses administered to certain animals ie horses, and after a while and increased doses the blood was taken from that animal.
what you said above to me seems like the snake itself would have to be envenomated because *correct me if im wrong* they are not immune to their own venom.
Antivenom is made from milking snakes and slowly injecting into horses. The Australian Reptile Park at Gosford is the major contractor in Australia for supplying venom for the Commonwealth Serum Laborities. It most definately is not made from snake blood.
My most recent bite, 12 days ago, had a severe allergic reaction to the horse serum a week after the antivenom.
My most recent bite, 12 days ago, had a severe allergic reaction to the horse serum a week after the antivenom.
GeckoJosh
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Correct me if im wrong but that just sounds like a wives tail to me, so if you can show even the slightest bit of scientific evidence id would be surprised, but then again apparently i do lack some intelligence.
So has any of the other users here heard of this?
Tsubakai
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I don't know who fed you that yarn but it is the most ridiculous thing I have read online in months. Do some research on antivenom production.
GeckoJosh
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I have not handled venomous snakes before so i cant say first hand, but from my experience with giving reptiles injections and handling them i know for sure that your just as likely to get bit drawing blood and even more likely to injure the snake
redbellybite
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may I ask what tagged you ?
I know a lady, that found out the hard way tooo, that she was allergic to horse serum .....
mmmm you will have to be very very very careful ..
Wow:shock:, its incredible how misguided some of this information is.
Snakes are milked using two methods. The first is the more traditional method of stretching latex over a beaker and encouraging the animal to bite. The second method we use for smaller species/individuals, where a pipette is slipped over the fang and the snake releases venom into this.
Snake-bites are of course never a good thing for victim and family etc, however from a research point of view, human envenomations provide huge amounts of valuable data. For example, one of my own bites many years ago proved the theory that antivenom may not work as well across different sub-species, or localities, highlighting the potential for problems in patient management. Conducting experiments on venom in the lab (in vitro) provides much useful information, but it may not always be an accurate representation of what will happen when a human is envenomated.
People keeping elapids should have adequate skills, experience and confidence. A first-aid kit with bandages should always be close at hand. They should have a "snake-bite action plan" which contains vital information such as contact details for hospital emergency department, and specific information that will need to be relayed to doctors, such as:
The species of snake involved,
The age of the victim,
Is the victim symptomatic,
Has the victim had previous bites and/or antivenom before,
I keep this plan on the fridge, so anyone present knows what to do and say.
Having a few simple procedures in place can make a world of difference in an emergency.
Stay Safe
All the Best
moosenoose
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They are using sheep to produce anti-venom in some places (I don't know if it's an Aussie production thing though?). I'm curious to know if a horse allergy would disappear if the sheep-based equivalent was used instead?? Love to hear from somebody in the know! Toxinologist David Williams perhaps?
redbellybite
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ooooooooooooh did it floor you ?
are you OK now ? or have some on going problems from it ?
I am always interested in finding out how people pull through after being tagged ...
I hope, I am never in that situation ever and really do my best to avoid it.
but as I live in Australia in a remote bush area and catch vens ,I am in a higher risk category ,then say someone that lives in the city and doesnt interact with vens at all ...
And just the other day ,going about my house hold duties ..I got wacked on the top of my foot by a small -eyed ..lucky I had rubber crocs on and not my normal bare feet (only cause we have bloody big prickles at the moment) ..
dtulip10
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i am going to join in, in the burning. they still milk snakes and yes they still use the horse method, and yes some tigers are a pain to hold as they like to twist there body a fair bit to try to tag you, but in no means should you ever harm the snake.
Was bitten through the hoop bag straight into a blood vessel on my ring finger. Bandage was being applied within 60 seconds by myself, however before even getting to my elbow I could feel myself passing out. Might as well have put a bandaid on the bite. Just made it to the motel office, relayed message to manager and passed out within 2 minutes. Rushed to Dubbo base hospital where I received all their Tiger antivenom(3 vials) as well as another 3 rushed up from orange hospital by police escort
Peterwookie
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You dont seam to have to much luck with Tiger's
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Sorry to hear this Bob. I hope you recover soon. Seems to take longer the older we get.
Who is your friend that works with snakes and what snake farm?
Jonno from ERD
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G'day mate,
Can't help with regards to the allergy related questions, but I can tell you that a US company produces their antivenom in Australia using sheep.
I think the only reason I am alive is that my own antibodies against snake venom kicked in . Even before I reached the hospital I had woken up, however was paralised and had severe breathing problems. Before entering the emergancy ward I was breathing normal and could freely move my body. However, a blood test taken within 30 minutes of the bite showed my red blood cells were destroyed allready.
I was discharged early the next day, did a show at Orange at a public school that afternoon and then drove myself back to Gosford. The kids at Orange were amazed at all the bandaging still all over my arms from all the hospital needles.
I have some of the worst bruising I have ever seen all over my body from the internal bleeding> I will try and download some of the pics we took. At the moment I still have a tremendous headache from bleeding into the brain, as well as a completely drained feeling. This may also be from the serum sickness I developed last thursday
I was discharged early the next day, did a show at Orange at a public school that afternoon and then drove myself back to Gosford. The kids at Orange were amazed at all the bandaging still all over my arms from all the hospital needles.
I have some of the worst bruising I have ever seen all over my body from the internal bleeding> I will try and download some of the pics we took. At the moment I still have a tremendous headache from bleeding into the brain, as well as a completely drained feeling. This may also be from the serum sickness I developed last thursday
dtulip10
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man that looks horrible. hope all is good for a quick recovery
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