GTP Ballot???

[Hickson]

re GTP

Probably the GTPS will go to quarantine and then after they have cleared into that great ones collection to provide new blood lines,do you know who it is boys and girls 8) :lol:

If the GTPs are all mutations - like the ones in the photos - then they will probably be euthanased. There is no conservation value in keeping mutations and so zoos would have a hard time justifying their keeping them.



Hix

 

[peterescue]

I cant see the where the mutation aspect comes in Hix. The first shot is an albino short tail I think and the second is of two GTP's still in their yellow phase. I must be missing something. Could you elaborate.

 

[Morelia_Hunter]

Its a burmese python people. The GTPs will go to a zoo. The frillies and the rest are probably from a big reptile breeding facility in Indonesie. I remember dealing with these guys when i lived in the UK. Its 2 hours from Jakarta, they come and pick you up. Show you some of the rarest pythons in the world and then you get drunk with them. Frillies cost about $30, GTPs about $170 and for the rest would probably be another $200 or so. I am just guessing but this is What I know from dealing with the Indonesiens a few years ago.

 

[Kingii]

Still got their details MH??

Due for a good holiday :wink:

 

[Retic]

I agree Peter, they look like perfectly good GTP's to me.

 

[Retic]

I totally agree with you Playwell, my thoughts on exotics is well enough known. To use the latest 'in phrase' wouldn't it be UnAustralian to report the people ?

 

[SLACkra]

i think its bs that we can't even import NATIVE australian reptiles! quaretine them etc. importing non native reptiles aint fantastic.

also an interesting point, there are so many illegal non native reptiles being kept in australia and yet there haven't been any plauges of veiled chameleons have there???

andrew

 

[Retic]

I have always said I am NOT in favour of an open slather approach to exotics, it needs to be regulated and licensed. Lets face it the current 'system' clearly doesn't work, the only exotics that get found are discovered by accident, be it during routine Customs searches or when someones house is raided for an unconnected reason, drugs search etc.
Slackra, as you rightly say the country isn't being over run by chameleons and tortoises BUT there is far more likelyhood that we will see wild populations of exotics if they are not regulated and controlled.
The authorities need to look at individual species and assess their risk potential, now I realise there will be those that will jump up and down and tell me that every exotic species is a potential risk but this clearly isn't the case.
Putting aside the disease risk which could easily be addressed if a chameleon for example was to escape it's potential to cause damage to the ecosystem would be as near to zero as it is possible to be. The same applies to land tortoises and a great many other species.
I have a Heath monitor in Brisbane, is that not an exotic species ? As are my Bredli, Diamonds and most of the other animals I keep.
I understand there will always be those who say we have great animals here and we should be happy with them and not want exotics but I equally understand the opposing view.

 

[herptrader]

The GTP's will not be the Australian native variety. The issue I see with importing these in particular is that they will get on the books as the native variety and screw up our gene pool.

Actually I suspect this has already happened. It is quite possible that very few of the captive GTP's in Australia are pure descendants of the Australian sub species.

i think its bs that we can't even import NATIVE australian reptiles! quaretine them etc. importing non native reptiles aint fantastic.

 

[Hickson]

I cant see the where the mutation aspect comes in Hix. The first shot is an albino short tail I think and the second is of two GTP's still in their yellow phase. I must be missing something. Could you elaborate.

Sorry Peter, my bad. I'm at work and only quickly skimmed through the thread before a supervisor asked me what the hell clourful snakes had to do with Food Inspections!

I saw the GTPs, then scrolled to the next shot and assumed it was a mutation GTP, concluding that the yellow GTPs are either hets, or maybe only show their mutation when adult. If they are normal GTP's, then zoos may get them if they are a government-approved Class-A zoo with thier own quarantine facilities and the zoos are prepared to quarantine the snakes for 13 months - in that 13 months the snakes cannot come in contact with any other reptile, or that reptile also remains quarantined until the GTPs have finished quarantine. Unless the new introduction is a seized exotic, in which case the GTPs would have to remain in quarantine until the second seizure has completed it's 13 months.

Some quarantine facilities aren't big enough for that, and some zoos might not consider it worth the effort tieing up their facility for that long. Especially when they don't know the history of the animals.



Hix

 

[Retic]

I think you will find there are very few pure Australian GTP's in collections here so there's not much chance of screwing up the gene pool, they might strengthen it

 

[Guest]

When you think about it. The government is the one to blame when it comes to releasing exotics into Australia (Cane Toads) not private keepers. So to fix their stuff up no one can keep exotics.


EDIT: except zoos and few other places

 

[Hickson]

When you think about it. The government is the one to blame when it comes to releasing exotics into Australia (Cane Toads) not private keepers. So to fix their stuff up no one can keep exotics.

That's a very cynical point of view. If you truly believe that last statement, then it's also a very narrow-minded point of view.



Hix

 

[Guest]

very narrow-minded point of view.

Whats narrow about that view???

The governement did release exotics into Australia. They did make exotics illegal and they did stuff up some of our ecosystem.

 

[Guest]

re GTP

Herptrader i thought you would know buy now the Gtps in australia are hybrids,it seems that way from the posts ive read here and the animals ive seen.Struggling again hix buy some glasses mate :lol: ha ha little chance of those gtps getting put down mate,i got told by the head keeper at taronga many years ago that mostly those that are good exhibits are usually kept and those that are not are uethanised.Diseased ones would be put down of course but he(i think it was hugh peters)was referring to a large number of pacific boas and the progeny they had that he thought would be put down.At that time as an exhibit they had a heap of wvery evenly green chondros crammed into an exhibit cage,i thought they were australian imports but probably bobs.

 

[Kingii]

re GTP

probably bobs

More than likely they were..

Or the crap PNG ones they put his chips into.

Bastards!!!!
(imo)

 

[Dicco]

Importing Native animals is just stupid, what the hell is the point of putting them through all that quarentine when we already have them here, duh!, Oh, and those Frill-Necks are exotics, last time I checked Southern New Guinea was not part of Australia.

 

[Retic]

I reckon that's a bit harsh, they have tried very hard to stuff up most of our ecosystem.

They did make exotics illegal and they did stuff up some of our ecosystem.

 

[Hickson]

very narrow-minded point of view.

Whats narrow about that view???

The governement did release exotics into Australia. They did make exotics illegal and they did stuff up some of our ecosystem.

Yes, the Govt did release exotics. Yes the exotics stuffed up our ecosystem. In fact, over a hundred years ago it was govt policy to introduce exotics - it was actually in the legislation.

As a said, if you believe your last statement - i.e "So to fix their stuff up no one can keep exotics" - then it is a narrow point of view. The ban on exotics is not to 'fix' the govt's stuff up, it's to make sure that stuff ups don't happen again.

:roll:

Hix

 

[basketcase]

its funny how all the exotic threads end up the same way :roll:

the way i see it there are 3 lines of opinion on the subject. theres those who want open slather, those who want only australian fauna in the country and those who want stringent regulation of the exotics already in the country... and these guys dont even realise that u can infact keep non-venomous exotics legally! it just costs alot of money is all.