illegal reptiles?

[Hickson]

are any species of monkey legal because a few years ago i met someone who was carrying a monkey around. it was wearing a diaper

it would have been a good 15 years ago, were the laws different then?

Before the current laws were in place (back in the 60's) there were some monkeys kept in private hands. I understand there are still one or two people with licences to hold monkeys. They may even be breeding them, but selling them is difficult as you need to have the right facilities - a very large cage (I think the minimum is 3m x 3m x 3m) with a solid concrete base - and then the monkeys themseves sell for several thousand dollars each ($15,000 from memory). You need more than one, because they are social animals (preferably three or four).

That's what the situation was in NSW a few years ago, anyway. Sombody out Sackville way had some. They were one of the Macaques (Rhesus, Crab-eater, or Bonnet, can't remember which).

DEC or Dept of Agriculture will know the details better.



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[Jonno from ERD]

The rule is
If you want to keep an illegal reptile just rename it, Seems to work with the Jags. I have seen heaps of pics on the net in Australia of the new jungle colours available.
Also all the albinos just appeared in Australia one day.
Some may be from here others are from over seas.

That's a big call, considering the ancestory of both lines of common albino python is well documented.

 

[junglepython2]

The rule is
If you want to keep an illegal reptile just rename it, Seems to work with the Jags. I have seen heaps of pics on the net in Australia of the new jungle colours available.
Also all the albinos just appeared in Australia one day.
Some may be from here others are from over seas.
Maybe try Bull mastif x tabbie cat (Tiger Cub)
HEHEHE

What aussie albino herps in Aus are from o/s, just about all the ones I can think off where found in the wild here in Ausralia.

 

[Pythons_Reptiles]

As im sure all the Green tree pythons here are from Australia. This debate could go on forever, those who do the right thing think everyone else does.
Sorry to tell you but there are heaps of reptiles arriving in Australia all the time, i dont agree with this practice but money is motivating alot of people to do things.
(Just my 2 cents worth)
Sorry if i upset any legit collectors.

 

[sxc_celly]

I think some animals are just not meant to be kept as pets. I had someone offer me red green tree pythons, ball pythons, cougars, fennec foxes, monkeys, tigers and loads more. I mean honestly what would i do with a cougar? Yes it sounds coll it theory, but the facilities to hold it, the exercise, food, and im sure it wouldnt be very cuddly at 2 yrs old with huge canine incizes. I had someone else offer me a fur seal they caught off the aust coast in a net - idiots got fined a whopper of a fine! Some animals i think just shouldnt be kept as pets for the average joe bloggs. As for exotics, - NO exotics should be allowed in australia except for zoo's. Cane toads, rabbits, red earred sliders are a good example!

 

[Addicted]

i have herd of ppl keepin freshies down here in newy which is ilegal in nsw but i think its LEGAL to keep them in the ACT?

As far as I'm aware there is only 1 keeper in the ACT who is licenced to keep freshies and it was under very strict conditions. I've been told that Environment ACT won't be approving any other applications

 

[dansfish4tea]

mabey i should applie for a freshie here ahahhahhah

wat do u reckon my chances are hahahhahha

 

[Auzlizardking]

In Vic you can keep grocs

 

[Gecko :)]

iIl take a Monkey, Tiger & Chameleon .. please

I would LOVE a monkey, or a Tiger( preferably white) !!, . oh & a Chameleon

I use to work with a Vietnamese guy who told me a few funny stories about monkeys!!
They are apparantly quiet common over there, kept as pet, some people use them to rob houses , .lol
Apparntly they are very smart and you have to be careful what you show them.
They can light fires and run a muck etc & apparantly they are pretty dirty!, . not sure if all that is true, but that is what he told me! .... I still want one though

I also have heard about ppl out Sackville way keeping monkeys.

 

[choppy]

Before the current laws were in place (back in the 60's) there were some monkeys kept in private hands. I understand there are still one or two people with licences to hold monkeys. They may even be breeding them, but selling them is difficult as you need to have the right facilities - a very large cage (I think the minimum is 3m x 3m x 3m) with a solid concrete base - and then the monkeys themseves sell for several thousand dollars each ($15,000 from memory). You need more than one, because they are social animals (preferably three or four).

That's what the situation was in NSW a few years ago, anyway. Sombody out Sackville way had some. They were one of the Macaques (Rhesus, Crab-eater, or Bonnet, can't remember which).

DEC or Dept of Agriculture will know the details better.



Hix

Heard of a bloke that had a pet monkey, not sure what type but, they can be very clingy and protective. His used to destroy the house if he left it alone and not caged. When he had his girlfreind around he used to have to lock the monkey up as it would attack her to keep her away from him, full on bites, scratches, ripping hair etc. May seem like a great pet at first, but definatley not for most people.

A lot of exotics are already illegally available..it would be better to have them controlled under some type of licencing system than force the market/keeping underground as people are putting themselves, others and our unique environment at risk because if they decide they don't want piranhas anymore there couldn't be too many people that you could off load them to, so what do I do? pour them down the river? Or what about that 15ft+ burmese that keeps trying to eat me, let him go in the bush?

If there was a system to control who has what and it wasn't overly complicated most people would abide by it, curently what choice has been left to those who will willing break the law regardless of the consequence, NONE. I'm sure there would be a few suprises if we knew what some people illegally kept in the animal collections.

 

[junglepython2]

There are plenty of monkey's kept at educational institutions for research purposes. There would be more in the country then people think.

 

[Hickson]

I use to work with a Vietnamese guy who told me a few funny stories about monkeys!! They are apparantly quiet common over there, kept as pet, some people use them to rob houses , .lol
Apparntly they are very smart and you have to be careful what you show them.
They can light fires and run a muck etc & apparantly they are pretty dirty!, . not sure if all that is true, but that is what he told me!

Yes, that sounds correct.

Heard of a bloke that had a pet monkey, not sure what type but, they can be very clingy and protective. His used to destroy the house if he left it alone and not caged. When he had his girlfreind around he used to have to lock the monkey up as it would attack her to keep her away from him, full on bites, scratches, ripping hair etc. May seem like a great pet at first, but definatley not for most people.

Like I said - social animals and you really need to have three of four. If you don't, they need constant companionship and can be quite difficult.

Having said that, they are ideal companion animals for people who are confined to the house, to a bed or a wheelchair. Some companies in the States train Capuchins (highly intelligent Sth American monkeys) to act as companions and caregivers to people stuck in wheelchairs, getting them drinks and food, bringing them the TV remote control, or the phone when it rings etc.



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[monix]

well one of my good friend has a cousin in cambodia that owns a monkey 'farm'! (hahaha i always get this visual image of some machine pickin monkeys from trees.. like fruit picker)...

and since cambodia is one of the destinations for my honeymoon we just booked in oct/nov... i will go find out about these so called monkeys and report back..

 

[Jonno from ERD]

As im sure all the Green tree pythons here are from Australia. This debate could go on forever, those who do the right thing think everyone else does.
Sorry to tell you but there are heaps of reptiles arriving in Australia all the time, i dont agree with this practice but money is motivating alot of people to do things.
(Just my 2 cents worth)
Sorry if i upset any legit collectors.

Nobody is under the delusion that reptiles aren't been imported into the country in big numbers. Whilst I am highly skeptical of people having Cougars and Sumatran Tigers in Australia ("It's just a stripey Bull Mastiff, nothing to worry about neighbour!"), you specifically said that albino pythons just suddenly popped up in Australia. I have many friends and acquaintances with albino Olives and Darwins, and the history of these animals is well documented in text, and on the Internet. For you to suggest that these snakes are descendants of illegal imports is insulting.

The same goes with your comments about Jungles. There's been three main people posting photos of Jungles on the Internet lately, and again, these people have been in the game for a long time, and have been breeding these Jungles for those specific markings. Just because they look similar to some snakes overseas has no basis on where they originated. Nature recreates itself all the time, and there is nothing special about American breeders - they are doing exactly what Aussie breeders are doing, just 10 years ahead of us.

I understand what you are saying, but the examples you used were far from appropriate.

Cheers

Jonno

 

[Jonno from ERD]

Heard of a bloke that had a pet monkey, not sure what type but, they can be very clingy and protective. His used to destroy the house if he left it alone and not caged. When he had his girlfreind around he used to have to lock the monkey up as it would attack her to keep her away from him, full on bites, scratches, ripping hair etc. May seem like a great pet at first, but definatley not for most people.

G'day choppy,

I first witnessed the above scenario at Bredls Reptile Park in Renmark, SA. Peter had his favourite girl out sitting on his shoulder, and as Pete's wife came around the corner the little monkey went banana's! Baring her teeth, screeching, jumping around and generally trying her little monkey best to kill Pete's wife. Pete put her back in the cage (the monkey, not his wife), and left...as soon as Pete was gone his wife opened the cage and took her out. It's only when Pete is not around that his wife can interact with her. Apparently there have been some pretty close calls when his wife has had her out and Pete has suddenly appeared.

Cheers

Jonno

 

[reece89]

a monkey would be good but wouldnt they me noisey than everyone nextdoor will be thinking what the heck are they doing next door lol, a tiger would be nice till it gets big and eats ya haha i kept a bull shark i caught in a river 1ce i had to get rid of it mum crapped herself =(

 

[Horsy]

Monkey's are ugly.

 

[Horsy]

I don't think a tiger would eat you if you raised it from a cub. I've seen a documentary of this guy who raised three male lion cubs and now they are all fully grown, still entire males, and when he walks into their enclosure they all roll over for scratches on their tummy and purr. Other people can pat them while this guy is around but if he's not around then the lions won't let you near them.

 

[Pythons Rule]

I met someone the other week asking if I knew anyone selling corn snakes I told here there illegal here in australia and she said she is aloud cause she has a special licence for them! can you get a special kind of licence can ya?

cheers Jody

 

[Hickson]

I don't think a tiger would eat you if you raised it from a cub. I've seen a documentary of this guy who raised three male lion cubs and now they are all fully grown, still entire males, and when he walks into their enclosure they all roll over for scratches on their tummy and purr. Other people can pat them while this guy is around but if he's not around then the lions won't let you near them.

That's been documented many times. Lions and Tigers can be handreared like that, but some individuals can be grumblebums and dangerous (like most things). Leopards, on the other, get to an age where they turn nasty and can't be trusted. Cheetahs, on the hand, are reputed to be great pets, almost like a dog.



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