Live Feeding

[reptile_mad]

Syeph8

haha true true, i will get her onto the occasional pinkie rat possibly, but i want to see how i go with just plain ol fish in multi-v batter! Common tree snakes liver is apparently not meant to cope with rats and mice long term, although pepole do have success, i know two people now who can possibly attribute their cts death with a diet of rats and mice and why risk it when i know i can get untreated fish and batter em in reptile multivitamins.

Reptile_mad

just curious as to why feeding a live fish is considered ok but live feeding rodents is not. I wonder what kind of response i would recieve if i posted a vid of a python stalking a mouse?

Slats

good question well asked.
If i was to follow your train of thought then it would be illegal to use livebait whilst fishing.
Couldn't feed pet fish either?

Syeph8

i wondered this too when i got her as she only takes live. I assume its the whole fish vs mammal ethos. Perception of pain may be different. Either way i dont consider it cruel. I treat my fish very well up to the point of their demise. They die of natural causes and they do not risk my snake in any way. To clear the air a bit. I take no pleasure from the death of the fish (an accusation many rodent breeders/cullers get hit with also) but either way it must die to feed my snake. If i kill it and forcefeed her then not only does the fish die but the snake suffers.
If you were to post a vid of your snake stalking a mouse i would say you are putting your snake at an unnessicary risk.

Slats

we haven't even mentioned bleeding some pelagic fish...

Reptile_mad

fair enough, never said i disagree just curious as to what makes it different thats all. After all my occupation relies on the loss of life. Everything has to eat to survive and unfortunately this means its the end of the road for some critters but this is a concept that some people seem to grasp but others have difficulty processing and it is a situation i often find myself in having to explain that killing a fish is the same as killing a cow. It is an interesting video as you don't get to see that behaviour everyday. Thanks for posting.

Note: I never live feed rodents was just using as an example.

Syeph8

i assumed it was an example, most people on this website wouldnt live feed rodents to their snakes (for the snakes sake if nothing else) do you work in paliative care? Or at an abbatoir? Hard to grasp what profession you work in with a description like that not that im judging as i personally have worked at both dinmore meatworks (swift) and aged care (which if you spend enough time in, you come to realise is very similar).

Bleeding palagic fish? Why would they bleed them? Considered humane way of killing? And why only pelagic fish? What is so special about fish from these areas? More info would be great although i believe we are tangenting and stealing someone elses thread, so pm me or start another thread if you could

Carrying on from another thread. Syeph8 I worked in a boning room but am currently becoming a qualified butcher. I would like to hear peoples opinions not so much on the topic of live feeding but more as to why it is considered ok to live feed some animals but not others. Eg: Mammals Vs Fish. Is it morals or as Syeph8 suggested different perception of pain? Where do we draw the line? Everyone live feeds crickets and they don't think twice.

 

[snake_boy]

i see live feeding rodents as bad because of the harm a rat or mouse can cause to your reptile. i personally have seen the result of a rat that had eaten parts of a snake and it was not pretty. altho the snake did survive this it does still have scars on it.

 

[syeph8]

as i hinted in my previous posts, i think the reason why live feeding isnt encouraged with rodents is the risk that they pose to the snake moreso than the harm done to the rodent. it is not cruel for an animal to be eaten by another in my oppinion, it is part of nature (although some animals that shall remain nameless like to play with their food a little too much). and to clarify incase i have been or will be misinterpreted, the afformentioned difference between the perception of pain by mammals and fish was merely an off the cuff hypothesis (wild uneducated guess would better sum it up, but hypothesis makes it sound less scandalous) although it would make sense that pain is perceived differently between differnt classes of animal, as brain structure/size varies greatly to accomodate different needs/advantages.

and for a bit of information thrown your way reptile_mad i used to do "hot beef pushing" down in the chillers for most of my time at dinmore. extra shifts, as you know, will always find you in different places, even got a trial gig as a sticker which didnt work out as there is such a high demand and people more willing to suck up to foremen than i.