My Spotted died today

[Dipcdame]

I understand people make mistakes, but don't take chances with the life of an animal.

Experience comes from reading books, talking to people, visiting forums, watching dvd's and documentaries, attending courses etc... before you 'experiment' with an animal's life.

I know it's bad luck and a lesson to be learnt, but it's an animal once again, not something to be blase about. I'm not attacking the owner as much as I am attacking the 'attitude'! Harsh lessons will be remembered! I want ppl to remember this so they can provide absolute safety to, and enjoy the company of their pets for all their life.

EXACTLY RIGHT, Sirloin, it's an ANIMAL, and as has been said by many before me here, we all make mistakes with animals, this unfortunate accident was brought about by someone wanting to do right by their ANIMAL, and it was sad that the outcome ended up as it did, but this owner was obviously well meaning and wanting to look after their ANIMAL, in the best way they could. There are many here who could probably admit to having done the same, but got away with it because it didn't affect the ANIMAL that much.
I suppose that you, of COURSE, have ALWAYS done everything exactly right, and never done something silly or made a mistake with your ANIMALS.
that is what they are Sirloin, ANIMALS ONLY, we make mistakes, we learn by them.

OH, Nudge? I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, it's happened to many, that one of their ANIMALS has died as a result of a well meaning mistake. Don't beat yourself up about it, happens to the best of them!

 

[J-A-X]

Experience comes from reading books, talking to people, visiting forums, watching dvd's and documentaries, attending courses etc... before you 'experiment' with an animal's life.

Oh so thats all it takes to be experienced..... I'm so glad i read all those books before i had my kids, now they will never get sunburnt, cut themselves, get into fights.........

READING GIVES YOU KNOWLEDGE, .... LIFE GIVES YOU EXPERIENCE

 

[Asharee133]

Oh so thats all it takes to be experienced..... I'm so glad i read all those books before i had my kids, now they will never get sunburnt, cut themselves, get into fights.........

READING GIVES YOU KNOWLEDGE, .... LIFE GIVES YOU EXPERIENCE

zing! sorry to hear mate

 

[JrFear]

Oh so thats all it takes to be experienced..... I'm so glad i read all those books before i had my kids, now they will never get sunburnt, cut themselves, get into fights.........

READING GIVES YOU KNOWLEDGE, .... LIFE GIVES YOU EXPERIENCE

Well Said!

 

[daniel1234]

Sorry for loss.
I take my snakes outside for sun, but in open air.
Hope you and your son are ok.
Dont let this stop you from trying again.
Take care.

 

[hypochondroac]

I understand people make mistakes, but don't take chances with the life of an animal. My thread was harsh for a reason. It is not something you just say 'oh well, live and learn' to. Go buy a plant.

Experience comes from reading books, talking to people, visiting forums, watching dvd's and documentaries, attending courses etc... before you 'experiment' with an animal's life.

I know it's bad luck and a lesson to be learnt, but it's an animal once again, not something to be blase about. I'm not attacking the owner as much as I am attacking the 'attitude'! Harsh lessons will be remembered! I want ppl to remember this so they can provide absolute safety to, and enjoy the company of their pets for all their life.

Agree'd 100%

I've heard this story regarding other species before and each time i've read about it i remain suprised at the lack of common sense it must've taken to make such a mistake. Surely one of the first facts you learn about reptiles when you start out is how they use the sun to heat up, placing an animal in a container be it glass or plastic with no source of shade or supervision seems down right daft to me.

and yes i'm aware we all make mistakes so on so forth but as a beginner shouldn't we be properly correcting this persons mistake instead of laying down all this sympathy. Realistaclly you should have known better, it's unfortunate your snake had to cook to death before you realised but please properly research an animal before you think about buying one and as KingSirloin suggested books, dvds, forums etc will teach you alot of interesting information.

and comparing a snake in a box to a childs up bringing is pretty drastic. There are several key differences and i don't know how you even thought it was a viable comparison.

Edit; KingSirloin is also one of the only people that gave out information i.e where to gain further experience, most of the other writers seemed to just pat the thread starter on the back and i suppose that's where i'm going with this whole comment.

 

[hypochondroac]

READING GIVES YOU KNOWLEDGE, .... LIFE GIVES YOU EXPERIENCE

If you're suggesting that theory work isn't the first crucial step to experience then tomorrow i might try my hand at being a heart surgeon, who needs 5+ years of knowledge?

 

[Slats]

lol did someone make a second account to post that?

 

[hypochondroac]

I've been lurking for a while, i just signed up, mainly because i wanted to respond to this thread.

 

[briiiziii]

I'm leaning towards the opinion of Jaxrtfm.
We are obviously all animal/snake lovers on here. And hypochondroac, i don't think thats what he was implying.
There's some things in life you can't learn from reading, etc.
I'm not saying this accident couldn't have been avoided without some research, but sometimes these unfortunate mistakes can be made my even heart surgeons!
Give the guy a break, he meant well, and not everyone knows EVERYTHING about a pet they've only had for a couple of weeks.

I'm really sorry for your loss, mate.
Hope there's a way of scaping up some cash for a new little baby.
Life's lesson learnt.


http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/member/hypochondroac-24447

 

[syeph8]

If you're suggesting that theory work isn't the first crucial step to experience then tomorrow i might try my hand at being a heart surgeon, who needs 5+ years of knowledge?

of course they require that background knowledge, they also require a mandatory ammount of practical experience, they practice a hell of a lot and make mistakes on dead people and live people before they are qualified to go out on their own as general surgeons. they require the doing as well as the learning. because all the learning in the world isnt going to prepare you for the ammount of blood that can pour out of the human body in the operating theatre. seems like an odd quote to argue against as your first post. i went to uni for a year before i did any work in hospitals, i learnt more in my first two weeks in the hospital system than i did all year because experience trumps knowledge. if someone theoretically knows perfectly how to perform surgery on me and someone has experience performing surgery, i know who i would prefer.

 

[girdheinz]

Simply knowing the snake is highly nocturnal would tell you it never needs to be out in sunlight full-stop. I feel for your son so please when you get a replacement understand the species you are keeping and get your set-up spot on.

GIRD

 

[symbol]

Yeah it is bloody sad when mistakes are made. I have made one mistake when i was very young...never again! Whilst I agree with King Sirloins view, that is we shouldn't 'play' with animals lives, I do think like other people, you have to start somewhere and hopefully not make mistakes. Research is the key and I also think forward thought is important... if I do this then x might happen. ON another note, the other day I was cleaning my mice out, put them all in a tupper ware container not in the sun, lid slightly ajar, no more then 5 minutes. When I came back they were all nearly dead and laying down!!! Luckily they came good very quickly after the lid was taken off...however...clearly it was too warm in there!! Now thats a practice I have been doing for the best part of 12 months without a hitch!!! This day it must of been humid or something outside...no idea!! Yep i was stupid quite clearly!!
Lesson learnt!!

 

[shellfisch]

Oh so thats all it takes to be experienced..... I'm so glad i read all those books before i had my kids, now they will never get sunburnt, cut themselves, get into fights.........
READING GIVES YOU KNOWLEDGE, .... LIFE GIVES YOU EXPERIENCE

x2

All those who have NEVER made a mistake through inexperience, hands up....

The first snake my son got, I nearly killed because I attached a light cage the wrong way - I didn't realise the kink in the top of the cage was there to fit over the cord.
In my defence, the enclosure was a homemade job (we bought it second-hand) where you had to put the cage on inside the lid and you couldn't see a thing. You had to do it by feel.
My son modified that enclosure so that the cage and bulb are easier to see and get to.
Knowing what we do now, our enclosures are much more user friendly.
After 6 weeks of vet trips and antibiotic injections and creams for the burns, the snake recovered well and is still going strong today.

Could have ended differently...we live and we learn.
So sorry to hear, Nudge, take care and don't beat yourself up too much.
When we know better, we do better

 

[Pythoninfinite]

Too easy to get licences to keep reptiles... you were clearly unprepared to keep a snake, but this may not be entirely your fault. There is so much bad information circulating on the net, it's often a case of the blind leading the blind... Basic research would tell you:

1. That anything alive in a fully enclosed container is going to get very hot very quickly
2. Antaresias are NOCTURNAL, and 4 1/2 month old baby pythons, of any species, do not expose themselves in daylight hours because they get EATEN by everything that can
3. Snakes do NOT need sunlight
4. Putting a baby snake in a situation like that is very stressful for the animal

Do you have any books about snakes, or Antaresia pythons, nudge? Have you read anything about the NATURAL history of the animals, so that you know a bit about their behaviours and needs, before you acquired it, or have you relied on the 'folksy' information available on the web, on sites like this? The www can be a source of great info, but it can readily supply incorrect and often plain stupid advice.

The sad thing is that it was a one way trip for your animal, and all the sympathetic responses here won't bring it back. I hope you get a couple of good BOOKS before you venture into reptile keeping any further. Learn how they behave in their natural habitat - it might give you a few clues about what they need in captivity.

 

[J-A-X]

If you're suggesting that theory work isn't the first crucial step to experience then tomorrow i might try my hand at being a heart surgeon, who needs 5+ years of knowledge?

Nope wasn't suggesting that at all, and wholeheartedly agree that reading/theory is the first step, and it is exactly that, a step. Reptiles are still an uncommon 'pet' and the network of knowledgeable people that are physically available to us, to assist and guide us are far and few between, so we need to rely on advice given on forums, or reading books or good old fashioned learning curves of experience, complete with battle scars. As has been pointed out already, the end result has been unfortunate, and the only practical advice that we could offer Nudge is to 'not do it again'.... and i am sure that Nudge is aware of that.

If this post had been titled 'found my snake dead in its viv' would people have been more sympathetic because the cause was unknown...
How many times have 'Newbies' asked questions here, only to be flamed for not knowing what they should be doing... is there a single publication out there that lists all the 'don'ts' No, they say what you can do, and how this is done is left open to interpretation,

 

[FAY]

I hope members learn from this disaster..