Hey caveman, where do you live. I would be more than happy to pay to come along to a training day to learn how to make these. You caould have "some that you prepared earlier" and we could provide all of our materials. Maybe even a stand at Phil's reptile expo. and yes mate, I would have loved fake ones in my enclosure but I didn't know how to make them and the pallet of real ones was $200 and the guy wanted $1,000 to make fake ones. But at least when I drop a fake one on my little toe it wont hurt as much. and I still have 3 more outdoor enclosures to decorate yet.