Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in Bondi unit
- Thread starter Hickson
- Start date
Help Support Aussie Pythons & Snakes Forum:
- Status
fly2high
Active Member
RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in Bondi uni
Hi all
I am new to reptiles and have been keeping them for over a year.
I have couple of pythons and some blue tongues.
I'm also keeping and breeding a lot of parrots which are native and exotics.
at the moment there is no licence required to keep exotic birds in this country and last licence system that was put in place has gone out the window couple of years ago which opened a market to a lot of smuggled birds in this country.
can some body please explain to me WHY we can not keep exotic reptiles at all as it does not make any sence.
Birds do carry alot more deseases aspecially if they are smuggled and yet no one cares.
Thanks
Hi all
I am new to reptiles and have been keeping them for over a year.
I have couple of pythons and some blue tongues.
I'm also keeping and breeding a lot of parrots which are native and exotics.
at the moment there is no licence required to keep exotic birds in this country and last licence system that was put in place has gone out the window couple of years ago which opened a market to a lot of smuggled birds in this country.
can some body please explain to me WHY we can not keep exotic reptiles at all as it does not make any sence.
Birds do carry alot more deseases aspecially if they are smuggled and yet no one cares.
Thanks
RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in Bondi uni
fly2high,
The Federal govt has a Dept called Biosecurity Australia. They assess the risk posed by importing animals into this country. Until they have completed an Import Risk Analysis and made recommendations, nothing comes in. Zoos have to have special IRA's made up for them if they want to bring in anything.
There is an IRA pending for exotic snakes, but it's been put on hold. As for the exotic birds - they've been here since before 1948. Back then, birdkeeping was a popular and widespread hobby. Before any more birds can be imported, an IRA needs to be done on the individual bird groups.
According to the law, that guy in Bondi is now presumed to have smuggled those reptiles into the country - he'll have to prove he didn't to not get charged with smuggling.
Hix
fly2high,
The Federal govt has a Dept called Biosecurity Australia. They assess the risk posed by importing animals into this country. Until they have completed an Import Risk Analysis and made recommendations, nothing comes in. Zoos have to have special IRA's made up for them if they want to bring in anything.
There is an IRA pending for exotic snakes, but it's been put on hold. As for the exotic birds - they've been here since before 1948. Back then, birdkeeping was a popular and widespread hobby. Before any more birds can be imported, an IRA needs to be done on the individual bird groups.
According to the law, that guy in Bondi is now presumed to have smuggled those reptiles into the country - he'll have to prove he didn't to not get charged with smuggling.
Hix
Menagerie
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2004
- Messages
- 442
- Reaction score
- 0
RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in Bondi uni
I was talking with someone in the Department of Primary Industries and he said that a lot of exotic reptiles are carriers of diseases that don't really harm them but are deadly to our natives.
I was talking with someone in the Department of Primary Industries and he said that a lot of exotic reptiles are carriers of diseases that don't really harm them but are deadly to our natives.
Menagerie
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2004
- Messages
- 442
- Reaction score
- 0
RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in Bondi uni
I was talking with someone in the Department of Primary Industries and he said that a lot of exotic reptiles are carriers of diseases that don't really harm them but are deadly to our natives.
I was talking with someone in the Department of Primary Industries and he said that a lot of exotic reptiles are carriers of diseases that don't really harm them but are deadly to our natives.
herptrader
Very Well-Known Member
Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in Bondi
We kept them for years and I can say that they are not well adapted to captivity. (I still have the scars on my arms from their tallons.) All of the Australian goannas are like puppy dogs in comparison.
In North America they are one of the most commonly dumped pets.
(And before you start jumping up and down we kept them in Canada not Australia.)
snake6p said:
We kept them for years and I can say that they are not well adapted to captivity. (I still have the scars on my arms from their tallons.) All of the Australian goannas are like puppy dogs in comparison.
In North America they are one of the most commonly dumped pets.
(And before you start jumping up and down we kept them in Canada not Australia.)
angelrose
Very Well-Known Member
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
lol at the double posts, is everybody getting the lovely debugmode message again tongiht?
Angel
lol at the double posts, is everybody getting the lovely debugmode message again tongiht?
Angel
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
The reasons we can't have exotic reptiles are many, the bird keepers are a big well organised group, we are small in comparison and fragmented. Of course any reptile or animal can carry a disease but having kept reptiles overseas I know for a fact that most of the good breeders are very fussy with their animals and most are 5th 6th generation at least. With proper quarantine their should be little or no problem just as with dogs, horses, cows and even cats.
I also kept some big iguanas and most are as tame as dogs in my opinion. They adapt very well to captivity, captive bred iguanas are commonly available and make excellent captives.
Of course a big wild caught animal is unsuited to captivity in the same way as most large lizards. I had a large male that would come over to be scratched and would climb onto my shoulder, it did have big claws but wouldn't intentionally scratch the hand that fed him.
The reasons we can't have exotic reptiles are many, the bird keepers are a big well organised group, we are small in comparison and fragmented. Of course any reptile or animal can carry a disease but having kept reptiles overseas I know for a fact that most of the good breeders are very fussy with their animals and most are 5th 6th generation at least. With proper quarantine their should be little or no problem just as with dogs, horses, cows and even cats.
I also kept some big iguanas and most are as tame as dogs in my opinion. They adapt very well to captivity, captive bred iguanas are commonly available and make excellent captives.
Of course a big wild caught animal is unsuited to captivity in the same way as most large lizards. I had a large male that would come over to be scratched and would climb onto my shoulder, it did have big claws but wouldn't intentionally scratch the hand that fed him.
beknluke
Very Well-Known Member
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
Hmmm.....
I just find it interesting that the Aust Government class our native animals as 'exotic' if they have been bred outside of Austrlia. ie: central bearded dragons bred in the US are classed as exotic and are therefore not allowed to enter the country for risk of introducing diseases to our NATIVES!! lol - go figure??
Hmmm.....
I just find it interesting that the Aust Government class our native animals as 'exotic' if they have been bred outside of Austrlia. ie: central bearded dragons bred in the US are classed as exotic and are therefore not allowed to enter the country for risk of introducing diseases to our NATIVES!! lol - go figure??
hey_im_sam
Well-Known Member
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
I thought that actually made sense.. well maybe classing them as exotic isnt technically right, but for these purposes has the same effect, right? Having been in the states they may have been exposed to diseases not found over here.. and could easily pass those on to our natives.
Greebo
Snakologist
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
I can't believe no one has commented on the fact that this bloke kept these animals in a unit!
I think there are a couple members on APS that live in Bondi......I wonder why they are being so quiet?
I can't believe no one has commented on the fact that this bloke kept these animals in a unit!
I think there are a couple members on APS that live in Bondi......I wonder why they are being so quiet?
fly2high
Active Member
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
Thank you all for your answers.
I do agree that birdkeepers are a larger group of people but I personnally think that its due to an ease that you can get a hold of birds in relation to reptiles.
If you want a bird or a interested in them you can go to any pet shop or a bird shop and have alook at them there on display in cages before being sold.
For new people like myself it was very hard to find animals and breeders to buy reptiles from. Thanks to some people that I've met I was able to get some and that wasn't easy.
If pet shops in Sydney were able to keep reptiles there just for display only that will bring a lot more people into hobby.
Also I think a lot of birdkeepers missing one simple thing what hobby is all about.
Keeping animals is a hobby and if they do breed it is a reward for giving them proper care and a bonus which will give you some money to put back into hobby.
A lot of people going into birds for the quick buck ( if it only was that easy )some are getting into new colour mutation which will in time drain pure strains of bloodlines and weaken all birds native and exotics. which mean that they will die out.
And then wild birds will be out reach as it is illigal to trap them and exotics are not permitted to be imported.
Also I used to be a member of some bird clubs and i was put off by the amount of backstabbing and bad mouthing that was happening there.
Can anyone recomend a good Herp club in Sydney that I can visit as my interest in reptiles grows bigger and bigger.
Thanks
Thank you all for your answers.
I do agree that birdkeepers are a larger group of people but I personnally think that its due to an ease that you can get a hold of birds in relation to reptiles.
If you want a bird or a interested in them you can go to any pet shop or a bird shop and have alook at them there on display in cages before being sold.
For new people like myself it was very hard to find animals and breeders to buy reptiles from. Thanks to some people that I've met I was able to get some and that wasn't easy.
If pet shops in Sydney were able to keep reptiles there just for display only that will bring a lot more people into hobby.
Also I think a lot of birdkeepers missing one simple thing what hobby is all about.
Keeping animals is a hobby and if they do breed it is a reward for giving them proper care and a bonus which will give you some money to put back into hobby.
A lot of people going into birds for the quick buck ( if it only was that easy )some are getting into new colour mutation which will in time drain pure strains of bloodlines and weaken all birds native and exotics. which mean that they will die out.
And then wild birds will be out reach as it is illigal to trap them and exotics are not permitted to be imported.
Also I used to be a member of some bird clubs and i was put off by the amount of backstabbing and bad mouthing that was happening there.
Can anyone recomend a good Herp club in Sydney that I can visit as my interest in reptiles grows bigger and bigger.
Thanks
Re: RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc
Only if there is a small gene pool to start with. And mutations don't usually happen in populations with a small gene pool. All those species with colour mutations will be fine as long as people keep outcrossing them. The only problem then is that when you're trying to establish a new mutation, you want to outcross to a normal to determine the genetics of the new mutation. Sometimes it's hard to find a purebred normal - look at Budgies, Redrumps, Ringnecks, Cockatiels, Peachies and Zebbies. And they're not in any danger of dieing out.
The Australian Herp Society
www.ahs.org.au
The Hawkesbury Herp. Society
http://www.users.bigpond.com/josef_p/hhs/
The Macarthur Herp. Society
website should be ready soon
Hix
fly2high said:
Only if there is a small gene pool to start with. And mutations don't usually happen in populations with a small gene pool. All those species with colour mutations will be fine as long as people keep outcrossing them. The only problem then is that when you're trying to establish a new mutation, you want to outcross to a normal to determine the genetics of the new mutation. Sometimes it's hard to find a purebred normal - look at Budgies, Redrumps, Ringnecks, Cockatiels, Peachies and Zebbies. And they're not in any danger of dieing out.
fly2high said:
The Australian Herp Society
www.ahs.org.au
The Hawkesbury Herp. Society
http://www.users.bigpond.com/josef_p/hhs/
The Macarthur Herp. Society
website should be ready soon
Hix
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
I think the ironic part of all this is that there has been and still is a huge and thriving black market in illegally imported reptiles, animals that have never been quarantined and are potentially full of these "potential" diseases. The Australian government tends to favour the head in the samd approach to this problem, if we ignore it long enough it will go away.
As an aside when in the UK I saw bearded dragons as big as Water dragons and magnificent colours, these things are huge.
I think the ironic part of all this is that there has been and still is a huge and thriving black market in illegally imported reptiles, animals that have never been quarantined and are potentially full of these "potential" diseases. The Australian government tends to favour the head in the samd approach to this problem, if we ignore it long enough it will go away.
As an aside when in the UK I saw bearded dragons as big as Water dragons and magnificent colours, these things are huge.
fly2high
Active Member
RE: Re: RE: Police find Burmese, Green Iguanas and Croc in B
Thanks for Clubs info.
Thanks for Clubs info.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
