'Restricted Reptiles' QLD EPA

[Australis]

. I think that if they want people to follow all of their rules they should set them out in a way that there is no ambiguous or incomplete information. We are after all investing a lot of time just to figure out what we are allowed to do......[/SIZE][/FONT]

Spot on mate, i wish QLD had a species list like NSW and other states, would make things liek this easier.... oh well..lol

 

[smacdonald]

My understanding is that all reptiles that are threatened (i.e. rare, vulnerable or endangered) are restricted. You can keep up to two individuals of a restricted reptile species on a recreational licence, but if you want more you need to get a specialist licence, which will generally involve doing a venomous snake handling course and getting two written referrals from experienced people.

Here's a list of current threatened Queensland animals:

http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/nature_conservation/wildlife/threatened_plants_and_animals/

It's stupid and dangerous that you need to work with venomous snakes in order to be allowed to keep three womas, but that's the government for you. Just because womas are classed as 'Rare' in the wild has absolutely no impact on their status in captivity - they're not any harder to keep than most of the unrestricted reptiles.

As I said, this is my understanding of the situation. If you look at your licence it should actually state what you can and can't keep.

HTH,

Stewart

 

[smacdonald]

"As far as all documentation available on the EPA Qld is concerned there is no such thing as a Woma python"

Hi jham66,

Queensland's EPA lists the woma as Rare:

http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/nature_co...ed_plants_and_animals/rare/rare_animals/#gen3

This is probably due to extensive habitat modification.


Stewart

 

[Australis]

It's stupid and dangerous that you need to work with venomous snakes in order to be allowed to keep three womas, but that's the government for you. Just because womas are classed as 'Rare' in the wild has absolutely no impact on their status in captivity - they're not any harder to keep than most of the unrestricted reptiles.

As I said, this is my understanding of the situation. If you look at your licence it should actually state what you can and can't keep.

HTH,

Stewart

You dont need to work with any venomous species to be able to keep Womas.


Thanks for the link to the endangered reptiles list, now i wonder if EPA, would take into consideration tha some Woma locality types are common...lol, i doubt it

 

[smacdonald]

Hi Australis,

"You dont need to work with any venomous species to be able to keep Womas"

Can you clarify this for me please? As I said in my post, I'm under the impression that you need a Specialist licence to keep more than two womas. Am I misunderstanding the situation?

Thanks!

Stewart

 

[tan]

You don't need to do a ven course to get a retricted non-venomous licence, it does however mean you can have more than two womas and gtps (of the aust species), with a restricted non-ven but no vens. You need an international licence for gtps non-native to aust (eg the png form)

 

[smacdonald]

What's a restricted non-venomous licence? Is that a new licence type?

Stewart

 

[smacdonald]

I've just downloaded a recreation wildlife licence application and found this:

"Note that if your application is for restricted reptiles and amphibians, but does not include any venomous snakes, you do not need to provide evidence attesting to your knowledge and ability to keep venomous snakes."

That's a new option that wasn't there when I last looked into this (which was quite a few years ago).


Stewart

 

[jham66]

Whoops, I was looking under the heading vunerable not rare. Terminologies eh...lol

 

[Luke_G]

Hi all new to Qld, How do you go about applying for a Ven lic up here?????? All help greatly appreciated.

Cheers Luke

 

[smacdonald]

Hi Luke,

If you're still reading this thread... You'll need to convince the EPA that you're able to handle venomous snakes. You might need to do a course and get some experienced/licenced people to act as referees for you. Details should be in the licence application form on the EPA site:

http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/ecoaccess...s/keeping_wildlife_for_recreational_purposes/

Stewart

 

[horsenz]

iam sure you can keep 2 womas on your recreational license

 

[Gut-Axe]

I keep two Womas on my Recreational Licence (and I haven’t had my door busted down by armed ATF officers with balaclavas yet) :lol:

 

[micko]

you can definately have black headed pythons on your rec license in qld.Some people i know even breed them and he only has rec license.

 

[yommy]

I have the restricted reptiles licience for pythons under the QLD system. If you wish to hold more then 2 restricted animals be it woma's or GTP. You could have 1 woma, 1 GTP that would = your two restricted animals. If you intend to bred either you'll need the restricted licence.
Though do be advised that you have to pay your standard $55- for your rec licence then they slug you again $156 ??or close to that amount for the restricted component. Though it is for 5 years so in the bigger picture not that much but it was a shock coming from the NT where everything permit wise is free. Contact EPA and they will tell you the actual requirements
1300 368 326 and follow the prompts.

 

[sxc_celly]

Sounds about right yommy. For QLD with regard to keeping more than 2 restricted reptiles or amphibians you will need to make the request in writing to the EPA to amend your standard licence and pay $162.30. If you only want to keep non-venomous restricted reptiles and amphibians then you would need to specifically state this. If you don’t they assume you want venomous and they then require that you also submit supporting documentation with regard to your knowledge and experience with venomous animals. This supporting documentation would include either references from people or the completion of a course. Restricted animals include, rare and or venemous animals, like gtp's, rough scaled pythons, womas, painted turtles, just ot name a few. I hope this helps.

 

[Australis]

Restricted animals include, rare and or venemous animals, like gtp's, rough scaled pythons, womas, painted turtles, just ot name a few. I hope this helps.

Why is the Rough Scaled python resticted?

And is it listed as such anywhere by the EPA, are all species with a small distribution considered rare by EPA?

Have you seen a list of species that are restricted on the grounds they are "rare"?

I would be very intrested in some black and white answers in regards to exactly what non-venomous species are restricted.

 

[geckodan]

The rare and endangered component refers only to endemic QLD species. This is why Yakka skinks are restricted but a QLD rec licensee can keep a pygmy bluetongue or a western swamp turtle if they can legally obtain it .
The restricted listing is design to protect vulnerable QLD fauna from "rampant poaching" by the herp community. The list as far as QLD is concern is dynamic - as abundance classifications change, so does the list. If a currently widely kept recreational species endemic to QLD was to suddenly become listed as vulnerable, rare or endangered it would immediately become a "restricted species" (e.g if Boyds Dragons suddenly got reclassified then they would need to be registered as restricted species)

 

[sxc_celly]

Well said Dan! My response a few posts eariler is as truthful as youre going to get, as i spoke to an EPA officer the same day i made that post regarding the exact same thing - restricted reptiles and licensing. Hope this helps.

 

[cobb]

what do you need to get a bts?
are they resticted?