This snake handler needs to get a grip!

[Jarvis78]

I love it when this snake handler guy gets a mention. the whole site joins hands and really comes together.......to pay out on him. :lol:
from what I have heard it is completely justafiable.

 

[Stevo]

well if u have heard this it must be true. I suppose most people on this site know ray really well and thats why they can call him whatever they like, because they have so much more knowlegde than him and dont rely on second hand information. 3 cheers for the crusaders of justice

 

[Fuscus]

Stevo - have a look at this site before paying out the critics
http://www.smuggled.com/VenArt1p.htm
Much as I hate pointing to on of his sites.

 

[Stevo]

I've seen it all fuscus and seen and handled his venomoids. I have kept snakes for 10 years which does "not" make me an expert, but can safely say his animals are in good health and disposition. I dont mind people voicing their dissapproval of venomoids everyone has the right to an opinion. What gives me the shi ts is all these people ,some with buggar all experience just continually degraging him, not just about his venomoids. Some have never met the bloke and wouldnt have a tenth of his knowledge. I'm sure if I tried to start selling reptiles under the name" pails for scale"or "snakes of Nt" roy and ben would not be happy and i could expect a lawsuit or 2.
He didn't invent venomoids and probably wont mind if your dog is desexed.

 

[Guest]

Looks like its done on his kitchen bench.....Dodgy as!!!

 

[Guest]

The way he did it was cruel and ILLEGAL, Paul. That is my problem with his 'experiment', not the actual venomoid bullshit.

Snakes still feel pain when cold, this has been scientifically proven many times!

I do not know Ray well, but have spoken to him on the phone a few times. He seemed a bit arrogant



I dont like the guy, not for personal reasons. But because he butchered snakes, and he mentions in some of his papers that he left toxic pest strips in snakes water bowls because he was too lazy to take them out.

I agree, he is knowledgeable, but come on... There is a lot about this guy to dislike.

I think that people who have no idea what he is like, or people that have never spoken to the guy shouldnt be paying him out too. At least I agree with something ya said eh mate?

 

[Moclobe]

Sorry Stevo but just because his snakes are in good health and disposition does not mean what he is doing to his snake is OK. It is an act of cruelty.

Nor can the procedure he performs on his venemous snake be compared to desexing of dogs which is performed by a Vet under sterile conditions using anaesetic and pain relief.

Finally just because some one has years of experience in reptile husbandry does not make all that they say correct nor appropriate.

It is a shame that someone with the experience of Ray will have his contribution to herpetology ignored and derided because of his ego.

One final note you don't have to meet someone to know that they are a wanker

Regards David

 

[Stevo]

As i said i have no problem with people voicing their opinion on venomoids. I have voiced my opinion not on venomoids but on how pathetic this continual hoser bashing is getting , especially from some of the more inexperienced and ignorant big noters on this site.

P.s to David- i said he had more knowledge not that all he says is correct
- and how could you really know if someone is a wanker without meeting him/her?

 

[Guest]

hehehe all guys wank

Therefore he is a wanker

 

[moosenoose]

My initial post is just stating what I saw at a fete. Funny how I don't have to mention any names for people to know who I'm on about.

I have barely had a year of experience in the keeping of one solitary python, I've read lots and have personally strived to learn as much as I can, all in a very short time. Unfortunately no amount of reading will ever amount to first hand experience. However I do not need experience in spotting something that was just plain ridiculous - I was honestly embarrased for him and the women and kids who were subjected to his rantings! Seriously! Handling a black Mamba!!!! For Christ Sakes what is that???? :shock: :? I still can't believe it!

 

[Moclobe]

Hay stevo exactly how much experience do you need to criticise Ray. He cops flack not only from the amature herpetologists but from the profesional herpetotogist.

As for working out that he is a wanker you only need to do a goole search on his name and read some of the articals that come up to determine that the guy has some mastibation issues

Regards David

 

[Stevo]

I'm out I've had my say

 

[ad]

Some have never met the bloke and wouldnt have a tenth of his knowledge.

I had an experienced herp friend who has met Ray, I started talking about the ghostbusters thing and he said the same thing to me.
It is easy to sit back and hop on the bandwagon, consider a one-on-one confrontation and how you would put your arguement forward. Then realize how much you do know!
I have read some of his books, The one on snakes with the collaris woma is one of the best herping books going (cant recall the title). The one on taxi driving is one of the worst Ive ever attempted to read.
I can see your point Stevo. Maybe a few more should consider it too!

 

[moosenoose]

I admit in hindsite there was nothing positive to be gained with posting about this. The way he went about how he exhibited his talk on Sunday was way within the boundaries of me "confronting" him about it, and I'd feel easy doing so, however it was easier for me to walk away shaking my head. I'm not suggesting by any measure that I have even the slightest hint of knowledge over him in herpological terms, I am at best an extreme novice! In future I will not be posting anything further about 'whatshisname' or adding my opinion to topics regarding him, people know what I think - Stevo and Ad have very valid points.

 

[soulweaver]

Is there, or has there been any information published on the venomoids in regards to the life span of the animal? i mean, if for argument sake a rbb lives for 10yrs, would you/or cna you expect the same life span from a venomoid?

just wondering. I know its hard to say how long a snake is going to live for, but there are rough guesses out there so yeah...

 

[Sdaji]

Is there, or has there been any information published on the venomoids in regards to the life span of the animal? i mean, if for argument sake a rbb lives for 10yrs, would you/or cna you expect the same life span from a venomoid?

just wondering. I know its hard to say how long a snake is going to live for, but there are rough guesses out there so yeah...

No, people haven't been butchering snakes for long enough for us to know. Dr Venomless butchered the first neonates I'm aware of. Also, we don't even have a good idea of how long the normal ones live. I greatly doubt that taking out the venom glands would reduce their lifespan, but that's just a guess really.

 

[Guest]

Yeah venomoids have been used for years and years in the US. Apparently they still live quite a while.

 

[soulweaver]

cool, just wondered cos a lot of ppl argue about snakes needing venom to digest so i thought i'd ask.

 

[Sdaji]

cool, just wondered cos a lot of ppl argue about snakes needing venom to digest so i thought i'd ask.

I would have thought so. I am suprised, but this doesn't seem to be the case at all, at least with many species.

 

[Guest]

It does with a few overseas species. I will have to track down the papers me thinks. Should be in the library at CDU. Ill post em up when i get em.

the first venomoid record i could find was done in 1956 in Spain and the snake lived for 8 years and it was oprignally wild caught as an adult.