venom info plzz

[PremierPythons]

I thought all snakes have a combination of Neurotoxic, Cytotoxic & Haemotoxic venom just in differing levels. Yes all Aussie Elapids are primarily Neurotoxic but that doesn't that they don't have at least a minute amount of the others... That was my understanding anyway...

 

[Macca]

Just a couple of notes to be aware of:

Collett's are not all puppy dogs. Many I've dealt with, including a couple of big captive-bred 5-6ft snakes, remain very flighty and bitey after a decade. It really comes down to the individul snake, as it does for many other species, including Inland Taipans.

Additionally, the correct antivenom for Collett's is Black Snake Antivenom. I think you'll find most hospitals in Sydney probably don't carry this antivenom as the only black snake in the Sydney region is the Red-bellied Black Snake, for which Tiger Snake antivenom is used. However, Tiger snake or Polyvalent antivenom may work for Collett's, although it is not as effective.

Venomous snakes certainly behave differently to snappy pythons and a bite can potentially kill you so I would seriously consider whether or not you really want them. If you do decide to go ahead with getting one, make sure you are fully aware of the correct first aid for snake bite. You would be suprised at the number of herpers with venomous snakes, who have no idea about the correct first aid ie. how tight the bandage should be, where you should start from, what actions to take etc etc.

For info on snake venoms and first aid, take a look at the website www.avru.org.

 

[Dan123]

yeh dw im a st jonnie's volunteer took it up when i brought my first snake.
i no bout snakes personalitys and if i get one i will buy frm some1 reliable and if its not the brown tree it will be a very docile snake to start off with just to get used to ven's.
i reallly do want a ven ive been thinkin of it over a year and latly i been checking like my fam insurace covers antiven's and stuff and so far so good

 

[rexs1]

very limited tahts why am im asking about vens and what peoples opinions are on some that ive herd are good for starters
also i gave up on the signature i cant name all my animals in the sig and i keep getting new ones so ive given up lol

you must of been lucky getting your licence with little experience then,
nick

 

[elapid68]

Just a couple of notes to be aware of:

Collett's are not all puppy dogs. Many I've dealt with, including a couple of big captive-bred 5-6ft snakes, remain very flighty and bitey after a decade. It really comes down to the individul snake, as it does for many other species, including Inland Taipans.

Additionally, the correct antivenom for Collett's is Black Snake Antivenom. I think you'll find most hospitals in Sydney probably don't carry this antivenom as the only black snake in the Sydney region is the Red-bellied Black Snake, for which Tiger Snake antivenom is used. However, Tiger snake or Polyvalent antivenom may work for Collett's, although it is not as effective.

Venomous snakes certainly behave differently to snappy pythons and a bite can potentially kill you so I would seriously consider whether or not you really want them. If you do decide to go ahead with getting one, make sure you are fully aware of the correct first aid for snake bite. You would be suprised at the number of herpers with venomous snakes, who have no idea about the correct first aid ie. how tight the bandage should be, where you should start from, what actions to take etc etc.

For info on snake venoms and first aid, take a look at the website www.avru.org.

What the.......? Tigersnake antivenom for a Blacksnake???? Give me bucket loads of Poly and Serum sickness anyday. Why would anyone give Tiger AV for a Blacksnake bite? The properties in Blacks are different to those found in Tigers and the AV works differently.Tiger AV doesn't have the strong anti neucrotic component that Blacksnake AV has for a start.
You'll find some of the larger Hospitals in Sydney eg. Prince of Wales and/or St Vinnies will carry Blacksnake AV (or at very least have a contingency plan for getting some quick, fast and in a hurry) for two reasons
1. The Black is indemic to the region and
2. Sydney Zoo.

If Zoo's have a certain species of snake there is usually a Hospital in close proximity that carries the AV. We here in Melbourne don't have Taipans but I know that if I get nailed by mine I know of one Hospital here carries the AV due to Melb Zoo.

That being said, RBBS and Collett's in my opinion make good first Hots. Usually they calm down quite nicely but as previously mentioned the neucrotic properties in the venom can be rather nasty if you do get nailed.
It's true Copperheads don't need heat as they are a cold weather specialist and the heat uaually given to other Elapids will eventually stress them out to the point of death. The husbandry of these animals have to be just right as most keepers will testify, these animals have a habbit of dying in captivity if not kept just right.
I've never kept BTS so I can't comment.
And just to throw fuel on the fire, Tigers can be quite good as well. Not the juvie's (they're usually pyscho) but if you can get hold of an adult that can ben handled they can make great captive animals. And as Moose mentioned earlier, I'd rather get tagged by a Tiger than a Black anyday.

The thing you have to be really carefull with is the housing of these animals. If they escape you'll be in for all types of fun and games.

 

[JasonL]

Tiger antivenom is used for RBBs, as Mulga snake venom is used for making Black snake antivenene and is used for the rest of the black family.

 

[Vincent]

I agree with Macca about the Colletts. I've kept plenty of them and the majority of them were snakes that i would not trust at all. While a couple of them were very quite, most would carry on a bit. As for prefering being bitten by a RBBS over a tiger, i've been bitten by both and neither was fun. But a RBBS bite cannot compare to a bite from a Tiger in my opinion. Nevilles was an extreme case.

 

[elapid68]

Tiger antivenom is used for RBBs,

Ok, live and learn, I still wouldn't be overly happy about it.

as Mulga snake venom is used for making Black snake antivenene and is used for the rest of the black family.

I'm not suprised Mulga venom is used for Blacksnake AV. A Mulga is a Blacksnake.

 

[JasonL]

Shane; what havn't you been bitten by? You surely must hold some kind of record.....

 

[JasonL]

There is a good book out from Straun Sutherland on venoms and antivenoms that is worth getting and learning, unless you want to trust the hospital.