'07 jags PICS!!!! (MAJOR DUW!!)

[waruikazi]

yeah those pics i posted were the pics that i refered to that i had seen and was told it was this animal, but its not so i have yet to see a pic of it. As said though i dont dought this guy who saw it and took some pics, sure its obviously not the same animal but it must look very simular.
Will track down these pics as he said he has a awsome shot of it on the lawn.

I'm eagerly awaiting these pics!! Hope that we do have a hope of one day owning them here.

 

[ihaveherps]

Thanks NickM ( I assume Nick Mutton sp.) for verifying the founder jag story for me... as I said in a later post, that without evidence, my post amounted to no more than hear-say, and I was feeling quite the fool not being able to find the thread. I much appreciate not looking the fool (on this occasion anyway) as I was certain of the information I had gathered, just the lacking evidence.

Regards,
Simon

 

[MrSpike]

All this talk of them being here via illegal importation got me thinking, if they are here.. and are being sold, what would the authorities be able to do about it? Say if i bought an "Jag" from Jan's line from someone in aus, would I get in trouble? Would the person i bought it from be in trouble? Would the authorities be able to do anything about it?

Kane

 

[da_donkey]

Has anyone heard of RSP's in Europe or the States, i bet they would go for a pretty penny over there.

Donk

 

[MrSpike]

Has anyone heard of RSP's in Europe or the States, i bet they would go for a pretty penny over there.

Donk

Give it 2 years :lol:

 

[bigguy]

RSP's are allready in the States. The ARP legally sold some to a zoo in the USA. Wont be long till they breed them and they hit the public market.

 

[stevel]

Thanks NickM ( I assume Nick Mutton sp.) for verifying the founder jag story for me... as I said in a later post, that without evidence, my post amounted to no more than hear-say, and I was feeling quite the fool not being able to find the thread. I much appreciate not looking the fool (on this occasion anyway) as I was certain of the information I had gathered, just the lacking evidence.

Regards,
Simon

Sorry Simon but Nick has only put his opinion over ..what Nick says is his arguement not fact ..
lets face it Nick even said himself that he had not seen the website when all the appropriate
information was up .My self included but i have shared emails with Jan and beleive what he has said .
Nick is just againts the idea because he likes proof of ancestry which has not been supplied so he doubts the origins of the jags
This does not prove that he or you are correct .there are pictures of the founder jags parents and they are going to be published as Nick has already suggested .
This debate about the founder can go on forever lets hope that it doesnt end up closed like on mp.com.
But if Jan Eric does not come through with the article in the magazine hes promised, i will then be on Nicks side of the arguement ...But never the less i will continue to keep jags in my collection for as long as i can ..

nobody said you looked the fool either lol

 

[theduclos]

I havnt seen this mentioned whilst reading this thread but why cant these jags be proven the same or different using DNA examination. A painless blood or saliva swipe the check the different mutations the either prove or disprove Aust Jags. or any other mutation for that matter. Eg have a set of bloodlines for each snake and there mutations.

This post is given even though i have no knowledge of snakes, just from studying genetics at school.

Edit: I did find some on pg 10. However this poses other questions such cloning to get Jags?

 

[fishead]

Hey TB, did the guy that said he personally saw that snake send you the pics you posted?
If so Iguess we can all work the rest out hey.

 

[Pike01]

Heres a girl i bred that should be big enough to breed next year.

 

[Jungleland]

Awsome

Hi Mike,

Well what can I say, that is just a perfect tiger looking carpet.:shock:

Just Awsome!!!!

Good Luck on breeding her

Joel

 

[NickM]

As Stevel said there are two sides to this arguement, we are on opposite sides.

I would point out that even if he posts pics it still proves nothing. Anyone can post pics of any animal they want and claim it to be the parents of whatever they want.

The arguement is that Jan is dishonest, so for those of us that beleive that he is dishonest, why should we believe it now just because he writes an article. Just becasue its in a magazine wont make it true.

I dont want this thread to turn into an arguement like it has many times on MP.com
Most of the information and viewws have been presented and poeple can make up their own minds about them.

I have also really enjoyed some of the pics posted here. It seems that people always want what they cant have. It seems like many here would like the jags but all many of us want are the locality animals you work with.

Nick

 

[Splitmore]

ok found them, i was looking on the wrong cd, there are also a few more pics of this animal that i will try and track down.

If that animal is fresh out of the bush I'll eat my hat!!! That is the fattest, healthiest cleanest looking 'wild' carpet I've ever seen!!

 

[Retic]

We have actually established that it is the original Jag, bred in Norway. I must admit looking at the photo it doesn't look much like a wild snake though.

 

[TrueBlue]

fishead, yeah the cd i got the pics off is his, he lives not far from me and lent in to me.
He still talks about this snake quite regulary and says its the hottest carpet he has ever seen.
I also know the guy that caught it pretty well and he also says the same thing.
The other person that ive spoken to that saw it was a bloke called Paul Gill, and once again everytime i talk to him he raves about what this snake was like.
So all in all a dont dought them, if i had heard about it from only one person i would not be as eager to belive it, but when the 3 of them describe it the same, i do tend to belive them.
As said he took some pics himself of it and is going thru all his cd pic collection to find them, when he does ill post them.

 

[fishead]

Oh ok mate. He must have sent those pics of the founder jag male to compare the wild one with maybe?
My head hurts - too much rum last night - not good.

 

[TrueBlue]

i have come across a handfull of carpets on call outs over the years that have been in that sort of condition, not often but occasionally they turn up.
This animal was supposed to be like that as well, they"ve all said it was around 5-6 feet and as thick as your arm. Time will tell once i track down some pics of it.

 

[steve6610]

this was a wild prossy coastal that was brought to me by a mate whos wife wanted it dead, he knew i would look after it and get it back into the wild where it belonged, but it was in better condition then a lot of captive snakes i've seen, so i have to agree, just by the condition you can't be 100% certain to be wild or captive, this coastal was released just after the pics,

forgot to add, she was a bit muddy from being pulled out of a muddy drain, also you can see the scape marks on her, i didn't do any of this as i received her/him in a bag,

 

[steve6610]

this coastals was about 5 to 6 ft, and in perfect condition to breed, i had a bit of an idea she may have been gravid, if it was a she, lol,

 

[ihaveherps]

Nick and Steve, I suffer insomnia so when I dont sleep I spend alot of time on MP, and am very aware of the split in opinions on the Jag debate... and from the information I have read, I have to admit that I stand on the same side as Nick, maybe not as sceptical, but still on the same side. Jan Eric Engell only has himself to blame for the opinions of the sceptics, and although I am also looking forward to his article, it will be hard to digest as gospel for me.

As mentioned before, I dont want this thread to head into the depths of Jan bashing, rather I was just stating my understanding of the debate.