Are you religious?

[abbott75]

Lol...will serve them right too. Arrogant 'you know whats' thinking they have the right to preach their opinions to others.

Umm, You know we live in Australia, right? They do have a right to come to your door and speak to you. Just the same as you have the right to do the same.

 

[cockney red]

Why do you have to behave like this? Do you react like this to every stranger who comes to your door? A salesman trying to sell their product or sign you up to something? They have been told by their employer to do this work.

So why, be so rude to religious people knocking on your door. yes you may find it annoying. just politely ask them to leave and say you are not interested. all they are doing is following the instruction in the bible ''go and make disciples of men''.

Another trait missing in God botherers, a complete lack of a sense of humor.

No i dont have a go at salesmen, because they are doing what they have to do, to earn a crust.

I do resent the botherers knocking on my door uninvited, and peddling inane verbal diarrhea, from a piece of fiction written at a time when, dragons were carrying off people in the dead of night, and the world was flat, and the average person would believe anything they were told. If i want to talk religion i'll go to any one of the billion outlets worldwide, and talk to the salesman on site.

 

[Slateman]

snake fanatics came to this poll late, but we are taking over Scientology and matching Muslim religion.
Not bad for late starters.
I assume that snake fanatics will be atheists in real world anyway.

 

[Jewly]

Umm, You know we live in Australia, right? They do have a right to come to your door and speak to you. Just the same as you have the right to do the same.

I say what happens in my home and they DO NOT have the right to come to my private residence and preach to me. Most of them will not take no for an answer and will continue to try and harass you. I've had one of them even stick their foot in my door to try and stop me from closing it.

Salespeople get similiar treament. If I wanted their product I would search it out.

I don't feel I have the right to bother someone in their own home and I would NEVER drop in on a friend of relative without ringing first because it's just plain rude not to.

 

[Jay84]

Another trait missing in God botherers, a complete lack of a sense of humor.

i apologise, you cant hear tone of voice in typing and seeing as i dont know u personally so dont know whether ud be joking or serious. sorry.

and by the way i am not a 'god botherer' lol and i do have a sense of humour.

 

[Jewly]

Why do you have to behave like this? Do you react like this to every stranger who comes to your door? A salesman trying to sell their product or sign you up to something? They have been told by their employer to do this work.

So why, be so rude to religious people knocking on your door. yes you may find it annoying. just politely ask them to leave and say you are not interested. all they are doing is following the instruction in the bible ''go and make disciples of men''.

So, if I have a piece of paper that tells me to go out and shoot a dozen people, does that mean I am allowed to do it? The bible might be sacrid to you, but I think it's the biggest load of rubbish ever printed.

People who don't believe in god are usually fed up to the back teeth of do-gooders trying to get them to change their opinion, and so over the years have grown very intolerant of those who feel that they are right and have to go around and tell everyone else they're wrong.

It's arrogance, pure and simple.

 

[Jay84]

If mormons, JW's or any other religious or sales ppl come to my door i just tell them im not interested. Most of the time i offer them a glass of water and they leave. they are doing what they are instructed to do. and its australian law that permits this, not just cos its written in a book.

 

[Jewly]

I would have thought going onto someone's property unannounced and unwelcome would be called trespassing and I do believe there is a law against that.

I just found this on the legal aid website for Queensland.

Can someone trespass on my property?
Trespass is going onto or staying on land without the permission of the owner or the person that is allowed by law to be there. Trespass can include burrowing under land, things that hang over the land (such as signs or a crane) and dumping things on land.

Who can come onto my property?

Certain people can by law come onto your property even if you do not want them to. Police, bailiffs, gas, electricity and telecommunications staff, post office delivery staff, and health and agricultural inspectors are some of the people allowed by law to come onto your property. It is not trespass if a person comes onto your property to build or repair a fence, or to put out a fire.
The law accepts that if you are a home owner or tenant, you will generally agree to any person entering your property using the usual point of entry to reach the front door, unless there is a sign that says you do not agree to this.

So, all you have to do it put up a sign that says, 'No salespeople or religious people allowed' and they can't legally come onto your property.

I think I might have to make up a little sign of my own.

 

[Riley]

So, if I have a piece of paper that tells me to go out and shoot a dozen people, does that mean I am allowed to do it? The bible might be sacrid to you, but I think it's the biggest load of rubbish ever printed.

People who don't believe in god are usually fed up to the back teeth of do-gooders trying to get them to change their opinion, and so over the years have grown very intolerant of those who feel that they are right and have to go around and tell everyone else they're wrong.

It's arrogance, pure and simple.

well first of all, obviously not; if a piece of paper tells you to go out and shoot a dozen people, it doesnt mean your allowed to do it. But where in the Bible does it tell you to do anything like that? Its completely the opposite. And why is it the 'biggest load of rubbish ever printed'? How is it rubbish?

People who don't believe in God are usually fed up of Christians explaining what they have to say to them because usually (and not all the time) , people who don't belive in God haven't heard/read the right stuff about Christians and therefore usually get the wrong idea. And im sure christians dont come around to everyones door and tell them that theyre wrong and that they have to believe in this stuff; but instead i bet they just tell you their oppinion and that its your decision.

An atheist once said to me, you just believe in this stuff because you've grown up learning about it and thats why you belive. I said to him the same, you've been living not learning about it and you dont know what its all about therefore how can you judge? I've been learning about it and know both sides of the story, especially the Christian side, and that seems right, so thats my choice.

No ones forcing you to believe in anything.

 

[abbott75]

I say what happens in my home and they DO NOT have the right to come to my private residence and preach to me. Most of them will not take no for an answer and will continue to try and harass you. I've had one of them even stick their foot in my door to try and stop me from closing it.

They come to your front door, they will only ever go inside if invited. If you make it clear that you don't want to talk, they will leave. I can't speak for every religious person that speaks door-to-door, but a JW would never try to stop you closing you door.

Salespeople get similiar treament. If I wanted their product I would search it out.

How are you to know about there product if someone doesn't tell you?

I don't feel I have the right to bother someone in their own home and I would NEVER drop in on a friend of relative without ringing first because it's just plain rude not to.

A friend or relative is different. When you visit one of them, it is assumed that you will be going inside. When salesmen and religious preachers come to your door, they aren't usually expecting to get any further than the door. They just want to speak to you, and will leave if you ask them too.

 

[Jay84]

There is a law against it. as long as it is between 9am and 9pm it is legal. i was a door to door sales person for a month. lol you can enter the property, NOT break in obviously lol

 

[jessb]

I had some JW's come to my door a little while ago - a pair of lovely ladies I was more than happy to politely disagree/argue with. They were foolish enough to suggest that I should submit to my husband's authority in our marriage as he was the head of the household. :shock: Well, you can imagine how that went down... :lol:

Yes, but subjection in a loving and caring war. Not cruel or in a 'slave/master' sense.

Hmmm, still doesn't work for me, strangely enough! :lol:

 

[abbott75]

I would have thought going onto someone's property unannounced and unwelcome would be called tresspassing and I do believe there is a law against that.

The Law Institute Of Victoria's website says

Meter readers, postal workers, delivery people and salespeople are not guilty of trespass unless they refuse to leave when requested.

 

[Jewly]

well first of all, obviously not; if a piece of paper tells you to go out and shoot a dozen people, it doesnt mean your allowed to do it. But where in the Bible does it tell you to do anything like that? Its completely the opposite. And why is it the 'biggest load of rubbish ever printed'? How is it rubbish?

People who don't believe in God are usually fed up of Christians explaining what they have to say to them because usually (and not all the time) , people who don't belive in God haven't heard/read the right stuff about Christians and therefore usually get the wrong idea. And im sure christians dont come around to everyones door and tell them that theyre wrong and that they have to believe in this stuff; but instead i bet they just tell you their oppinion and that its your decision.

An atheist once said to me, you just believe in this stuff because you've grown up learning about it and thats why you belive. I said to him the same, you've been living not learning about it and you dont know what its all about therefore how can you judge? I've been learning about it and know both sides of the story, especially the Christian side, and that seems right, so thats my choice.

No ones forcing you to believe in anything.

Ahhh but you see, even though I know that no one can force me to believe in anything I don't want to, some of the christians around me, THINK they have the right to continually try and get me to change my opinion and 2 members of my own family are the worst culpruits.

I never said that the bible tells anyone to go out and kill people but an earlier post said that biblebashers were just doing what the bible told them to do. Anyway, I challenge you to show me anyone who follows the bible to the letter because most religious people I know, pick and choose what parts they want to believe and follow.

I was raised a christian and I was baptised as a baby but I have made a conscience decision not to follow that path in life because it makes me feel so uncomfortable because I just can't abide by a lot of what goes on at churches. Some of their basic beliefs are fine and usually most people who are decent people follow that way of life, such as treat others like you'd like to be treated, etc.

My biggest problem with religian is that people who believe in religian have an arrogance that makes them feel that they are the only ones who are right and that everyone else is wrong and is a sinner. You don't see many athiests going around trying to change people's minds about their faith. I believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want and if they gain comfort from that, then I'm happy for them, but personally I don't gain anything by putting my faith in an unseen god. I have faith in me because to be honest, I'm the only one I can truly trust in life to do the right thing by me.

 

[notechistiger]

People who don't believe in God are usually fed up of Christians explaining what they have to say to them because usually (and not all the time) , people who don't belive in God haven't heard/read the right stuff about Christians and therefore usually get the wrong idea. And im sure christians dont come around to everyones door and tell them that theyre wrong and that they have to believe in this stuff; but instead i bet they just tell you their oppinion and that its your decision.

You obviously haven't had many doorknockers I've had quite a few indeed, and each and every one of them as told me that I'm wrong to believe in what I do (nothing, that is), and that I need to believe in the bible.

Just so you know, I did indeed "try" to be a Christian. Went to Church and read the bible and the like. But, I realised just how "brainwashing" it was when I started studying philosophy.

 

[Dipcdame]

Oooohhhh, that makes significantly more sense then .

On 'wealth of the clergy', I saw the pope make an adress some time ago about the trappings of material wealth, and that it leads to spiritual malnourishment and unhappiness.

Then they showed some of the interior of the chambers where he lives and I though "Gee, the pope must be the unhappiest and most spiritually malnourished man on earth".

Those catholics sure like their gold-leafing.

The catholics are one of the main religions that proved themselves as hypocritical when the now pope declared the new commandments, where people should practice paverty and give up the longing for material things and wealth................... it's the catholic church that is the most powerful, and the richest organisation on earth...........................and has the largest collection of pornography in the vaults at the vatican, along with statues and paintings, not all to do with religion. They own so much wealth, it makes that commandment an absolute joke.

 

[Jewly]

The first thing I do when someone comes to my door unannounced is I ask them are they here about religian and quite a lot of the time they will lie but if you continue letting them speak, it's pretty clear they are talking about religian. That's when I shut the door and walk away. A lot of them have sneaky ways of drawing you into a conversation or baiting you into an argument.

 

[abbott75]

My biggest problem with religian is that people who believe in religian have an arrogance that makes them feel that they are the only ones who are right and that everyone else is wrong and is a sinner. You don't see many athiests going around trying to change people's minds about their faith. I believe everyone has the right to believe in what they want and if they gain comfort from that, then I'm happy for them, but personally I don't gain anything by putting my faith in something as a god. I have faith in me because to be honest, I'm the only one I can truly trust in life to do the right thing by me.

Please don't take my comments the wrong way, I'm not trying to be an arrogant religious type, just trying to reason with everyone .

But honestly, if you firmly believed that your views were right you would want to let people know. Again, I can't speak for other religions, but JWs don't preach to people just to prove we are right. We do it out of love for the people in the world. We believe that the only way to, essentially, save people's lives to to bring them to an accurate knowledge of God. We don't want anyone to die (even people who like to turn on the hose :lol, so we continually speak to people. Believe it or not, every day new people, who likely have said "not interested" for years, decide to listen and often become believers.

Even in territory where people never listen, we still preach. It is a command from our god, and part of our worship.

As for atheists not trying to change religious people's views, have you been on the internet lately ? Atheists are worse than Christians in that regard! :lol:

 

[notechistiger]

and has the largest collection of pornography in the vaults at the vatican, along with statues and paintings, not all to do with religion.

Where would you get the accurate information to back that up?

 

[Jewly]

As for atheists not trying to change religious people's views, have you been on the internet lately ? Atheists are worse than Christians in that regard! :lol:

People have the right to voice their opinions and they can put whatever they like on the net, within reason.

The big difference is, I don't have to have it shoved down my throat when I open my own front door. For me to see something on the internet I have to search it out. I've been using the internet for years and not once have I seen a religious site, cause I choose not to go on them.

Don't get much of a choice though when some nutter's at the door with their foot stopping you closing it. He, on the other hand had a choice...he could choose to leave his foot there or he could choose to have a vase smacked over his head.