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Kristy86

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Hi All,

A friend of mine has a pair of blue tounges who are about 12months old now. they went on holidays and had another family member look after them, both are housed seperatley, they were away for about 6 weeks and before that both had been eating heaps and active, since they have been back the male has not wanted to eat, so far in the last few weeks he has only taken one or two bits of food a week at max. its getting to the point that he is wasting away, you can see the shoulder bone on him, the female is fine, no change at all. he is booked in to see the vet this week, but they are getting worried and i said i'd try to find out some info for them. they are house in moveable outside enclosures, get plenty of uv from natural sun, temps up here are raning from 28 to 32 deg. they have been fed on a varitey of fruit and veg with the occasional bit of mince or snails

if anyone has any ideas to try please feel free to let me know!

oh he is still active, walks around the cage, and when he eats he poos, but he is just not interested in food adn is wasting away'!
 
Do you know what the temporary carers were feeding them? Hopefully not snails from a garden that has snail baits. Being in Cairns I'd assume heat isn't going to be an issue. Let us know how they go after the've been to the vets.
 
they just kept up the same feeding routine, the only snails they feed them are the ones out of a tin, from the pet shop, so i don't think thats the problem, what about stress? could that cause it? i would have thought it would have setteled back in seeing its been back home fore 3 weeks.
 
Ok for starters, if the bluey is in an enclosure that has glass, UV will not penetrate. the only thing that will happen is the glass will magnify the heat.

Now we'll get onto the issue at hand. Like previously stated, if they've fed the little guy snails - there is a possibility they could be tainted by snail bait - however if this was the case - he'd probably be dead by now - so I doubt that's the issue.

Is he coming up for a shed? Blueys can often go off their food when coming up for a shed.

How do the eyes look? are they sunken? If this is the case he could be dehydrated which brings me back to the glass magnifying the heat. I'm currently rehabing a Kimberley Northern that was severely dehydrated and had gone off his food. he was basically skin and bones, and after a month of rehab, he's now gaining weight like a freak and looks 100 times better.

Dehydration can play a massive role in blueys going off their food. They need water to digest food. If the eyes are sunken - there's a good chance this is the case and there's a couple of things they can do to fix this rather quickly.

I think i've heard about these blueys before, so here's a tip that i did and had great success with.

First of all, get the guy out of the sun. In cairns you do not need him to bake in the heat. Where can he retreat to? he's outside, in an enclosed area - he needs a cool spot.

OK - Before following anything I'm about to say - you should do 1 thing first. Take him to a vet to make sure it's nothing serious like impaction. If he has a blockage, anything I'm about to suggest could only make things worse. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS!!!

Now if he is dehydrated and there's water available - he more than likely won't go for it. i don't know why this is - but it just happens. So to combat this you'll need a 1ml syringe (no needle) some gatorade, and some water.

You'll need to dilute the gatorade with water, so fill the syringe with gatorade, and squirt it into a small glass (I used a cough medicine type cup). Do the same thing with the water and squirt it into the gatorade. You should now have 2ml of water/gatorade solution.

This is where it gets tricky. You'll need to force the end of the syringe into the mouth (not too far - just the tip so he can bite down on the thin end where the water will come out). Slowly syringe the water/gatorade solution into the mouth. I'm talking .1ml every second or so until the full 1ml has been taken. you don't wanna go too fast as you could force the liquid into his lungs. Do this 2 or 3 times a day.
Don't give him more than 6 - 8ml of this solution a day. after 3 days of doing this, lower the amount of gatorade solution to about 3-4ml and suppliment the remaining 3-4ml with water. you can spread it out as the gatorade will taste better. i used Lemon Lime for my guy and it was fine. (Gatorade is high in electrolytes which could be what he's lacking - the whole thing that the body processes gatorade faster than water is true due to the electrolytes).

I've double checked this with vets and they have told me that as long as it's diluted, there will be no problem.

Now after 2 days, offer some food (scrambled egg is great). If he doesn't take the food, you may want to force feed. Vets sell a dog food call Hills A/D. I used this for my guy as Vets use it for emaciated reptiles quite frequently. use a 30ml syringe (no needle) and put 4ml of the Hills A/D dog food in. Once again follow the above instructions remembering not to FORCE it down the throat. You want him to swallow it on his own. do this once or twice a day for a couple of weeks or until the can runs out and then try feeding normally. he should start taking food on his own.
PLEASE remember to not pump the food in too fast - you don't want him choking - I'd suggest .5ml of food every 2secs or until you see him swallow the food completely. It'll take some time - but it's worth it. The amount you should feed depends on the size of the bluey - how Big is this guy???

Also - please post some pics of this guys current condition. It'd be helpful to see exactly what he looks like.

Remember - VET FIRST!!! if there's no blockage - then try my suggestion. It could be as basic as worms. or it could be as fatal as dehydration - the vet should be able to tell you this.

Also - get the vet to Ultrasound him. This way he should be able to see any blockages that may be there.

I hope this helps, and i hope it all works out - please keep me up to date on the process. if you would like to email me and discuss this further - I'm reachable at [email protected].

I can show you pics of my guys throughout the process and you'll see the dramatic difference over just a couple of weeks.

Luke
 
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l would take into account and do what Luke as said here in his post, Luke shaw knows what he talking about for when it comes down to health-sexing-breeding-gestation-diet for Blue-Tongue and Snigleback Lizard's.

l'm the person that Luke got the adult male Kimberley Phase Northern Blue-Tongue from that was not eating and dehydrated, and since its been in his hands, Luke shaw has help to better what was 1 of my adult Kimberley Phase Bluey's and help it to make a 100% full recovery, and Luke deserves alot of credit for getting what was my adult male Kimberley feeding and drinking again keep up the good work Luke.

Like he said in his post the very first thing you should do with your Blue-Tongue Lizard, is get it to a VET ASAP and have it look at, so you know if anything is seriously wrong with its health or not, and post some photos of it and the enclosure you keep it in on APS, so others can see how it looks and how your keeping it in its enclosure.

Good luck with your Blue-Tongue and hope it to makes a full recovery and starts to eat again.
 
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Here you can see the adult male Kimberley Phase Northern Blue-Tongue, that Luke has put in alot of time and effort to help him make a full recovery, and get him feeding and drinking on his own again.

The photo where you see him on the slate rock he was in 100% healthy, and the other photo where you see him outside on the grass enjoying the natural sunlight, he was in very poor condition and not eating much at all, and he also was dehydrated from not drinking much water at the time.
 
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hi guys,

thankyou so much for the advice, as i said this is not my lizard and i have not viewed it yet, my first advice was to get it to the vet asap which they are doing this week, so i will go and see her tomorrow and tell her what you guys have told me, the cage he is in is something like a rabbit or cat outside enclosure, it is only partly open to the elements and has a cool end with plenty of shade, but it has been really hot up here so i guess dehydration makes sense, especially if he is off his food this i imagine would make dehydration much more likely? as its not mine i dont have any photos, but i will see what i can come up with and will keep you posted,

once again thankyou all very much,

i will keep you updated!

Cheers

Kristy
 
i was able to go see the bluey about mid week, and i don't think the situation is as dire as frst though. although he is not eating much he is still eating one or two pieces of fruit, egg, veg etc a week, he is very active, his eyes are bright and do not look sunken or dehydrated at all, he has lost some weight but nothing dramatic. the lump on his back which she thought was a shoulder bone i actuall think is an injury, as it sticks up more then the skin having sunk over it as a result of weight loss, i know they can get a lot of injuries from trying to climb up things and falling, so she was taking him to the vet but i have not had a chance to speak to her since then. any ideas on the sudden loss of appitite?

ta
 
Hey Kristy,

Glad to hear the bluey is not in as bad condition as you first thought.

My blueys lose appetite a week or 2 before they are about to shed.

Also, stress caused by change of environment etc can cause loss of appetite from my experience.

Where I live in NSW the temp is dropping and this can also cause a lack of appetite as my blueys will brumate shortly as they live outdoors. You said the temps are quite good up there so that shouldn't be relevant.

I guess when bluey has visited the vet you should have a better idea of any health issues.

Good luck
 
Ok that's good to hear!!!

Dehydration is something that is a nasty pastie - thankfully you don't have to worry about anything I posted!

But everything jewfish said is true.

I take it the lump is from climbing as a youngsta and is now more visible due to the weight loss.

The problem with this bluey is probably a shedding one. Nothing you can do except maybe soak them for a bit. I wouldn't worry to much. Get your friends to take a pic of the animal for us and if you can post it we can see more the state he's in and have a better chance of figuring it out.

The vet is as Jew said - the best bet at figuring out if anything is actually wrong.
 
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