chondrogreen
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Callous people.
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Dipcdame
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Point one: No, I am not a vegan
Point 2....... yes I have eaten animals not brought up in ideal conditions, but do my best nowadays to buy only free range, etc, and honour the animal as best I can.
Point 3 - I DO own snakes, who eat T/F rats, who have been removed from their mother, but I doubt are euthanased in their mothers view where they try to fight for their babies.
Point 4 - for a family to stand by and watch such a desperate act and do nothing to help, is as I said, CALLOUS - filmmakers must undertake not to interfere with nature.
Point 5 - I am not stupid enough to know this doens't happen in the wild, anyone who thought that, I WOULD call stupid, it's a logical reality, but for the family to stand by and do nothing and still stand and watch, is a CALLOUS act.
Point 6 - yes, snakes do need to eat, and in the wild, they do from time to time, but it is known, that not EVERY creature they prey on are captured and eaten, in fact, I read somewhere where they miss more than they catch, so what difference would the odd animal make that people try to help?
Point 7 - I am sure that annoying or distracting the snake would make it let go of its intended meal - there was NO information that the prey was already dead when first seen by this family
Point 8 - As Waruikazi said in another thread, we are all entitled to our opinions, I just voiced mine. Didn't realize I would get flamed quite so much for having feelings for animals and not liking them being watched during their suffering without as least some attempt to help it.
Point 9 - I understand scaled animals adequately enough to know and successfully rear two, without any major problems as I have read from some on here.
Point 10 - I don't think a love for animals and a need to protect them is bizarre, not in the least. The bizarre behaviour os of the people who would get enjoyment from an animals suffering - THAT is my main concern
Point 2....... yes I have eaten animals not brought up in ideal conditions, but do my best nowadays to buy only free range, etc, and honour the animal as best I can.
Point 3 - I DO own snakes, who eat T/F rats, who have been removed from their mother, but I doubt are euthanased in their mothers view where they try to fight for their babies.
Point 4 - for a family to stand by and watch such a desperate act and do nothing to help, is as I said, CALLOUS - filmmakers must undertake not to interfere with nature.
Point 5 - I am not stupid enough to know this doens't happen in the wild, anyone who thought that, I WOULD call stupid, it's a logical reality, but for the family to stand by and do nothing and still stand and watch, is a CALLOUS act.
Point 6 - yes, snakes do need to eat, and in the wild, they do from time to time, but it is known, that not EVERY creature they prey on are captured and eaten, in fact, I read somewhere where they miss more than they catch, so what difference would the odd animal make that people try to help?
Point 7 - I am sure that annoying or distracting the snake would make it let go of its intended meal - there was NO information that the prey was already dead when first seen by this family
Point 8 - As Waruikazi said in another thread, we are all entitled to our opinions, I just voiced mine. Didn't realize I would get flamed quite so much for having feelings for animals and not liking them being watched during their suffering without as least some attempt to help it.
Point 9 - I understand scaled animals adequately enough to know and successfully rear two, without any major problems as I have read from some on here.
Point 10 - I don't think a love for animals and a need to protect them is bizarre, not in the least. The bizarre behaviour os of the people who would get enjoyment from an animals suffering - THAT is my main concern
TahneeMaree
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Tell us then, what COULD they have done?
Would the family have come under the same kind of flaming if they had simply walked away?
Perhaps they were frightened of being harmed by the mother or the snake to get close to them.
Once a snake has something in its grip it's a bit of a lost cause to try and pry it from the coils.
You call them callous for simply watching.... have you ever watched a docco?
Maybe they froze, like people do in a tragic/shocking moment.
Would the family have come under the same kind of flaming if they had simply walked away?
Perhaps they were frightened of being harmed by the mother or the snake to get close to them.
Once a snake has something in its grip it's a bit of a lost cause to try and pry it from the coils.
You call them callous for simply watching.... have you ever watched a docco?
Maybe they froze, like people do in a tragic/shocking moment.
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naledge
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I agree with Dipcdame about 80-90%
It would have been hell to watch, and if I had a chance to get in between the snake and wallaby before the snake struck I would. But as others have said, snakes have to eat, so I wouldn't have intervened after the snake's already bitten the wallaby, I'd just feel like crap for the next few days.
Most people on here are incredibly biased - reptiles above all others.
I love all animals, and seeing any in pain or suffering, including rats and mice makes me feel like a prick.
It would have been hell to watch, and if I had a chance to get in between the snake and wallaby before the snake struck I would. But as others have said, snakes have to eat, so I wouldn't have intervened after the snake's already bitten the wallaby, I'd just feel like crap for the next few days.
Most people on here are incredibly biased - reptiles above all others.
I love all animals, and seeing any in pain or suffering, including rats and mice makes me feel like a prick.
caustichumor
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I think that if that was happening in my backyard, I would be watching it as well (with my kids)... I dont consider that getting enjoyment out of an animals suffering, but watching nature, the constant struggle of life and evolution (survival of the fittest means the young and old are fair game).. "If a wallaby gets eaten in the forest and no-one is their to see it, does it matter?".... That's my zen rhetoric for the day....
naledge
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Wouldn't watching a creature die slowly and another creature go out of it's mind with emotional pain be a bit too much for kids? It'd be really distressing.
it didnt sound like the family enjoyed it as such, but its a very rare and educational thing for them and their kids to actually witness such an occurance in real life.
i find myself feeling horrified by nature docos all the time, but thats nature, and i coudnt imagine seeing it in real life. But after trying to remove a small snake from a rat it couldnt find the head of (without making a mess of the rat) i dont like anyones chance of winning against a 4m scrubby.
i find myself feeling horrified by nature docos all the time, but thats nature, and i coudnt imagine seeing it in real life. But after trying to remove a small snake from a rat it couldnt find the head of (without making a mess of the rat) i dont like anyones chance of winning against a 4m scrubby.
GeckoJosh
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Your right snakes do miss alot more prey than they get to eat, which is why when they do get hold of one its crucial they eat it.
I wish i was there, as callous as it might be, watching such an amazing predator in action right in my backyard would be nature watching at its best imo
I wish i was there, as callous as it might be, watching such an amazing predator in action right in my backyard would be nature watching at its best imo
Lonewolf
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look i love animals but all you that are against what that family did need to come back to reality
if you think about it by the time any one would have seen the scrubby it would have been too late and you think about how long it would have taken to STRIKE-COIL-CRUSH apposed to the time it would have taking for an average adult human to react that joey would have would have goten injuries so bad that it would have never of survived a trip to the vet
also the mother probable wasn't trying to save the joey it was probable trying to save its self
iv been out shooting wallabies (for food not fun and they were all tagged) and have never been attacked
if you think about it by the time any one would have seen the scrubby it would have been too late and you think about how long it would have taken to STRIKE-COIL-CRUSH apposed to the time it would have taking for an average adult human to react that joey would have would have goten injuries so bad that it would have never of survived a trip to the vet
also the mother probable wasn't trying to save the joey it was probable trying to save its self
iv been out shooting wallabies (for food not fun and they were all tagged) and have never been attacked
There probably was no mother there, media always makes things up to spice up the story.
Fact of the matter is there is NOTHING they could do......
Aggravate the python so it regurgitates a dead wallaby in their back yard?
Then the distraught mother has to sit by her dead baby wondering what to do next.
Fact of the matter is there is NOTHING they could do......
Aggravate the python so it regurgitates a dead wallaby in their back yard?
Then the distraught mother has to sit by her dead baby wondering what to do next.
It is kind of funny how these types of thread are always going to go around in circles and that people express contradictory logic within the same post.
Firstly, my emotional opinion. I don't think the family should be judged at all. We do not know what they were feeling. It could have been the worst thing that they have ever seen. I feel very sorry for them being slammed all over the internet.
And just to correct something that has been annoying me... CALLOUS means showing or having an insensitive and cruel disregard for others. There is nothing to demonstrate that the people were insensitive or cruel especially when you consider that the original news article quoted them as being distressed to see this joey that they had handfed being eaten. I would say that they WERE sensitive to the situation and are therefore not callous at all. And they are not cruel either. They did not INVITE the snake into their yard. If it had happened in the middle of the bush no one would care...
I also think that the opinion that a predator should always be allowed to eat prey is misplaced. I personally have saved an animal from a predator. My pet mouse from my cat's mouth. But my cat is very well fed and did not need to eat mice and indonesian geckos etc. And before you all ask, how would I feel if my cat was the one being eaten not the joey, the answer is that it would never happen because my cats NEVER leave the doors of my house for this exact reason.
But take emotion out of it for a moment and look at it logically. There was very little they could do. If the joey had been alive (which they say it wasn't) their choice was limited. Kill the snake to save the joey. Either way something dies. Lose lose situation. To believe it othewise is to place more value on the life of the cute fluffy joey than the snake.
Such heirarchy of the value of life is contrary to the opinions already expressed in this thread that imply that all things should be treated well and with respect (ie buying humanely grown meat).
Therefore the argument is null and void and we can all go back to talking about our pretty pets!
I remember years ago there was a documentary made following the 1st year of a joeys life and the subject was killed by a dingo. The public outcry was incredible and the filmmakers were totally slammed for not intervening. But people don't think twice about the lions eating zebras and we marvel at the cruelty of life on the plains. Double standard much?
Firstly, my emotional opinion. I don't think the family should be judged at all. We do not know what they were feeling. It could have been the worst thing that they have ever seen. I feel very sorry for them being slammed all over the internet.
And just to correct something that has been annoying me... CALLOUS means showing or having an insensitive and cruel disregard for others. There is nothing to demonstrate that the people were insensitive or cruel especially when you consider that the original news article quoted them as being distressed to see this joey that they had handfed being eaten. I would say that they WERE sensitive to the situation and are therefore not callous at all. And they are not cruel either. They did not INVITE the snake into their yard. If it had happened in the middle of the bush no one would care...
I also think that the opinion that a predator should always be allowed to eat prey is misplaced. I personally have saved an animal from a predator. My pet mouse from my cat's mouth. But my cat is very well fed and did not need to eat mice and indonesian geckos etc. And before you all ask, how would I feel if my cat was the one being eaten not the joey, the answer is that it would never happen because my cats NEVER leave the doors of my house for this exact reason.
But take emotion out of it for a moment and look at it logically. There was very little they could do. If the joey had been alive (which they say it wasn't) their choice was limited. Kill the snake to save the joey. Either way something dies. Lose lose situation. To believe it othewise is to place more value on the life of the cute fluffy joey than the snake.
Such heirarchy of the value of life is contrary to the opinions already expressed in this thread that imply that all things should be treated well and with respect (ie buying humanely grown meat).
Therefore the argument is null and void and we can all go back to talking about our pretty pets!
I remember years ago there was a documentary made following the 1st year of a joeys life and the subject was killed by a dingo. The public outcry was incredible and the filmmakers were totally slammed for not intervening. But people don't think twice about the lions eating zebras and we marvel at the cruelty of life on the plains. Double standard much?
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jessieJEALOUSY
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In one of the articles that i read, the mum or whichever stated that she did try, that they were armed with brooms and such, but upon realises that the joey was ALREADY dead they left nature to take its course.
Maybe i mis-read it, but if i knew the joey had already been killed i would have been fascinated by the situations.
Maybe i mis-read it, but if i knew the joey had already been killed i would have been fascinated by the situations.
Could always just have blasted all of them and chucked them on the barby. That way none of the critters would have to suffer the horrors of nature any longer. Snakes are such horrible, evil creatures of the devil, we should kill them all so that no more of their prey gets killled or distressed.
At the end of the day I really think the blame in this case goes to the mother, what sort of parent lets their joey wander in front of scrubbies? She probably didnt want the joey and only kicked the snake so it diodnt look sus.
At the end of the day I really think the blame in this case goes to the mother, what sort of parent lets their joey wander in front of scrubbies? She probably didnt want the joey and only kicked the snake so it diodnt look sus.
Dipcdame
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THANK YOU naledge............... at last, SOMEONE with an ounce of compassion!
And for you rinformation Tahnee, NO, I don't, and WON'T watch docos where animals kill, whether for their own survival or not................ and THATS why I wouldn't own a snake when live fed was the norm............................. as I said, I TAKE NO JOY IN WATCHING ANY ANIMAL OR HUMAN SUFFER FOR ANY REASON.
Oh, and Chris, I suggest that before posting any more on the forum, you grow up a bit. I just read your last post. Bit childish.
TahneeMaree
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So you're saying that anyone who watches an animal die, either on a docco or not is a callous person, because that's what it's begining to sound like.
I love animals as much as the next person... though in this case there was nothing that could be done for the poor joey. It would have been a very horrible encounter for all involved but I do not think that these people deserve to be called names for watching something that is perfectly natural.
I love animals as much as the next person... though in this case there was nothing that could be done for the poor joey. It would have been a very horrible encounter for all involved but I do not think that these people deserve to be called names for watching something that is perfectly natural.
Dipcdame
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I would call myself far worse under those circumstances because I would have gone against all my instintcs and principles.
Makes it no better than standing around to watch bad car accidents to see how much someone had been hurt.
Jessica_lee
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But you are not getting the point - if wild predators already miss so many prey, imagine the decline in animal populations if people like yourselves went messing around with nature.
Yes baby wallaby dies, but mum snake might have a nice big clutch that year, most of which will be eaten by birds etc. And im not sure how big the snakes you keep are but I know i would have no way in hell getting my TAME pythons from their meals let a lone a four metre scrubby - and read the article they were mortified.
Watch the lion king.
Yes baby wallaby dies, but mum snake might have a nice big clutch that year, most of which will be eaten by birds etc. And im not sure how big the snakes you keep are but I know i would have no way in hell getting my TAME pythons from their meals let a lone a four metre scrubby - and read the article they were mortified.
Watch the lion king.
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