Cat Thread - This is how you do it.

[Wild~Touch]

Can't wait for catskin hats to come back in vogue

 

[waruikazi]

First off, i just want to say, i think Killing any animal with no real intention is stupid and disgusting.
I have no idea why some people still kill every cane toad, cat, fox, rabbit they see when clearly they have a well enough established population that no matter how many we kill at this stage they will still exist here, whether we like it or not...
Its our fault they're here in the first place so we have to deal with the consequences... Its got to a stage thats beyod return, so to me killing a cane toad is just as bad as killing a Green tee frog, its not justified, in the long run it changing near-to nothing, and your killing an innocent animal.

I had some real intention when i killed these...

I'd show pics of the cats and dogs but there was nothing left of them.

You're wrong, you can quite easily hunt out an area of some feral species. The larger the easier, buffalo had been all but eradicated from the top end (from numbers in the hundreds of thousands, down to the single thousands) in the 80's and early 90's. Then the culls stopped and the numbers are back up again.

Darwin has also managed to keep itself toad free. From Hunts, culls and trapping.

 

[Bel03]

I agree with her. I think they should be let out to display their natural behaviours. This is why I'd never own one myself - I'd either feel guilty for having to lock it up or for the damage it was doing to wildlife

Of the 3 cats my kids now have, all desexed, vaccinated & microchipped, the youngest male is the only one who if aloud would leave my yard. The other male, Benny, is almost 3 & is the laziest cat ive ever seen, we had a mouse in the lounge room the other night, it ran over the top of him, he didnt move! & no, i wouldnt have minded him catching it, it would have saved me alot of furnisher moving to get to it myself! Bella, is 6 almost 7, she's been with us since 4wks of age, she was dumped in my rubbish bin! She has never been outside, she very rarely even goes out to the cat run. I dont think they mind really if they dont know any different, they have the opportunity to go outside & explore if they want to, but besides the kitten, they often chose the comforts of the couch instead!

 

[waruikazi]

Ummmm CATS
I had a cat for all it's life. I lived in an apartment. It had never been outside.

When we moved here, we had no intention of getting a dog. But guess what?
Every neighbour had a dog, so all the neighbourhood cats would congregate in OUR yard. They would pee all around the cars.Leave cat poo everywhere and get into screaming matches in the middle of the night on the verandah right outside our bedroom. SO we had no choice but to get a dog. No more cats after that.

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She swallowed the dog to chase the cat.
She swallowed the cat to eat the bird.
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider, that wriggled and jiggled and tickled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly, perhaps she'll die...

Lol, soz. That's the primary school teacher coming out.

 

[saximus]

Of the 3 cats my kids now have, all desexed, vaccinated & microchipped, the youngest male is the only one who if aloud would leave my yard. The other male, Benny, is almost 3 & is the laziest cat ive ever seen, we had a mouse in the lounge room the other night, it ran over the top of him, he didnt move! & no, i wouldnt have minded him catching it, it would have saved me alot of furnisher moving to get to it myself! Bella, is 6 almost 7, she's been with us since 4wks of age, she was dumped in my rubbish bin! She has never been outside, she very rarely even goes out to the cat run. I dont think they mind really if they dont know any different, they have the opportunity to go outside & explore if they want to, but besides the kitten, they often chose the comforts of the couch instead!

Oh ok that's interesting. I would have assumed they would naturally just want to be out and about. Shows how little I know :|

She swallowed the dog to chase the cat.
She swalled the cat to eat the bird.
She swalled the bird to catch the spider, that wriggled and jiggled and tickled inside her.
She swalled the spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly, perhaps she'll die...

Lol, soz. That's the primary school teacher coming out.

HA! One of my all time favourite childhood books

 

[Bel03]

Oh ok that's interesting. I would have assumed they would naturally just want to be out and about. Shows how little I know :|

I wouldnt say 'how little you know' cause im sure there are cats that dont enjoy it so much either! I think all cats have that 'natural hunting instinct'.........our Benny is just a freak! :lol: Miss Bella had a hard start to life & as she always has plenty of food, warmth & love at home i dont think she has ever wanted to risk losing it by wandering! The kitten.......well he is a typical kitten, he stalks our pet birds, he can lay for hours & watch the snake, he gets very excited when birds land near the cat run.......he is a very normal cat, he just cant get any of them! I hope he soon learns it is pointless & becomes as laid back as our others, but if not, at least i know he isnt doing any damage.

 

[Red-Ink]

Sax my cat is an indoor cat as well and her instinct are "switched on"... I just supplement that by letting her hunt a peice of string, small remote control cars covered in a furry material, the dog or in most cases myself or the wife. It keeps her entertained enough and she's afraid of the outside world. The few times I've taken her out on a leash we never lasted more than 10 minutes in the backyard before something spooks her and she wants to go inside.

 

[Waterrat]

My last world on this subject:
One can not reason with serial cat haters. They think they are conservationists because they hate cats. But like all extremists and radicals, they're not taken seriously by the rest of the community.

 

[Defective]

i know that the cats that come into our yard all have collars and belong to someone because i keep a loaded waterpistol with diluted lemon an lime juice in it for 3am when they start fighting on our roof and the bells on the collars wake me up

 

[Colin]

i keep a loaded waterpistol with diluted lemon an lime juice in it for 3am

just add some tequila and a dash of salt that water pistol will be a tequila shooter

 

[Nighthawk]

My last world on this subject:
One can not reason with serial cat haters. They think they are conservationists because they hate cats. But like all extremists and radicals, they're not taken seriously by the rest of the community.

Nobody is taken seriously by anybody else with an opposing view. As much as people like to say they engage in serious and respectful argument/debate, more often than not it results in a flaming row for that very reason.
For my part I'd like to point out I'm not a cat-hater; I don't mind a moggy on my lap for a pat but I'd prefer it belonged to somebody else, and I certainly wouldn't hurt somebody else's pet considering I've had neighbours do that to mine before.
I just think there should be laws in place for irresponsible cat owners, just as there are laws in place for irresponsible owners of most other breeds of pet, and subsequent consequences for stepping outside those boundaries. It may not stop anything, but it would make the majority think twice. If certain people really did feel some compassion for life in general I can't see why it wouldn't be possible to come to a compromise and work toward such an end. Cats are just following their natural instincts after all, it's the owners who, in the end, should be held accountable for the actions they take, but sadly it's an animal ignorant of mankind's rules which suffers the consequences.

 

[SamNabz]

,After having a quick read through the thread, I can't find any thing wrong with what Jeffa has done.

I'm not a cat person, however in saying that I would never go out and shoot one...

He simply trapped the cat (be it a pet or feral) on his property and then made the effort to hand it to the pound. If he really was a 'red-neck', then I guess he would have disposed of it differently.

As mentioned, the pound gives the owner(s) 3 days to claim their pet before being put down - which I think is fair. Even if there is a fee to pay to collect the animal, it is well deserved seeing as the cat wasn't where it is supposed to be.

I have never met a cat owner who has a cat run and in fact I've never actually seen a cat run in person; only ever in images/videos.

My neighbours have 3 cats who are ALWAYS outside and recently decided to take refuge on one side of my yard which runs up the side of our house. I have 'shoo'd' them off many-a-time and told the owner's that they need to do something about it before I do. Naturally, being cat owners, they did absolutely nothing about it (mind you, these neighbours claim to be greenies and will do everything they can to prosecute you or get you fined for simply chopping some branches off a tree in your own yard).

The cats fight and mate ferociously and not long ago one of them had a litter of kittens. I went out to have a look and the 3 cats were there as well as the kittens. I caught the 3 cats and placed them in big storage tubs and took them to the pound myself. I then rounded up the kittens and took them to my neighbours house and notified them that these were now their kittens and then said "oh, and you might want to give the local pound a visit as they have 3 of your cats which won't be there too much longer" as I was walking back home - to which they looked at me with disgust and shock..?

 

[user 16324]

buy an english staffy. He solved my mates cat problems

 

[Darlyn]

I don't understand what makes a cats life more sacred than our native wildlife.
Jeffa has been responsible in his disposal of a killing machine.
If the owners are responible people they will claim their cat back and maybe put some thought into restraining it's wandering habits.
If not then the world is less one cat which is certainly not a huge drama.

 

[MaggieH]

Im here Col. Great Thread and interesting what you all have to say. The one thing I would like to say is that if we want to have any animals survive, in the next 30 - 50 years we have to start taking them in to privet collections. Conservation through commercialism. The Human race is destroying all habitat for all animals and the only place that will be left it the HUMAN habitat. If they are not with us they will be gone. Please don't assume I mean this is the only measure we should take it is only one of many steps we need to take. The constitutions in Australia allowed us to have natives as pets but it us to the states to say which. There is a list with names on it. The list is different in each state. As is the list of what is an Australian species. These lists need to be expanded and co-ordinated.

Look for example to the Tazzy Devil. They WILL be all gone from the wild in the next 50years. With out Devil Ark the species will become extinct. The Devils are far from the most endangered species. In fact the bettong is.
Please See Devil Ark.com.au

How is that for a start Col?

to have your say please go to:
Australian Natives Animals as Pets in NSW | Facebook

 

[Colin]

thanks maggie and welcome to the forum
Is it true the powers that be are trying to make this list smaller instead of expanding it? Whatsyour opinion (and John Weigel's opinion) of responsible people being allowed to keep and breed the tasmainan devils as part of the recovery program? Is there any chance of this? If you look at how the RSP came into the hobby and the numbers bred maybe private keepers could do something for conservation and assist with breeding up some numbers. It would be an excellent thing to do for the devils and for aussie wildlife.


sorry if this is a bit off topic.. and thanks everyone for being so tolerant of each other.. this must be a record for a cat thread

 

[GeckPhotographer]

They've been saying Corroboree frogs will be extinct in 3 years for a decade, now you say Devils "WILL" be extinct in the wild (apart from 'introduced' wild mainland pops). While the situation for devils is critical, and I am a huge cynic, how can you be sure they will go extinct. Don't think I am saying we shouldn't help them. I agree with everything being done to try and save the species. I just don't think the fate of this species in the wild is so assured that we can yet say whether they will or won't survive. Especially since the Western populations of devils from what I have read have greater natural variance and thus better chance of developing a resistance to the disease.

 

[MaggieH]

I can not Speak for John, But this is exactly what i am pushing for and not just for the Devils.
I think there is quite a large percentage of people that could house a betong, possum or a bilby quite well. Maybe 10% of the population could hold a native of some sort. The population of Australia this year is 22,732,639
Im no expert but that is a huge amount of funding that could go in to Native Australian animals.
Now look at the flow on... Vets, Research Native animal products. etc.

Geckphotographer please go to and read Tasmanian devil, devil breeding program | Devil Ark | save the Tasmanian devil, tassie devil. There has been ppl working on this problem for nearly 10 years with nearly no impact.

Please google Dr Menna Jones

This is the reality. We are way past the modern opinion of things. We only have our generation to act. But humans are to complacent and neutralised to see it.

Please educate everyone and let get things started. PLEASE

 

[Jeffa]

Well said Colin, I think a nice celabatory drink is in order.



Oh and thanks for the inspiration Waterrat, this ones for you.

Happy caging.

 

[waruikazi]

This might be a good time for a bit of cross promotion! Don't forget Gavin Bedfords talk on November 12! On pretty well exactly this topic! http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/general-reptile-discussion-42/like-buy-oenpelli-python-170775/

I can not Speak for John, But this is exactly what i am pushing for and not just for the Devils.
I think there is quite a large percentage of people that could house a betong, possum or a bilby quite well. Maybe 10% of the population could hold a native of some sort. The population of Australia this year is 22,732,639
Im no expert but that is a huge amount of funding that could go in to Native Australian animals.
Now look at the flow on... Vets, Research Native animal products. etc.

Geckphotographer please go to and read Tasmanian devil, devil breeding program | Devil Ark | save the Tasmanian devil, tassie devil. There has been ppl working on this problem for nearly 10 years with nearly no impact.

Please google Dr Menna Jones

This is the reality. We are way past the modern opinion of things. We only have our generation to act. But humans are to complacent and neutralised to see it.

Please educate everyone and let get things started. PLEASE