cats...grrrr

[Bouncer]

The correct thing to do would be to ensure your outdoor enclosures are cat proof. People have cats, Nothing you can do about it. Dumping them just leaves them to fend for themselves in the best way they can which includes killing native wild life. People cannot keep a cat in their yard unless they keep it inside the house. My house is a sauna, I can't afford air con so you expect me to keep an animal inside in the heat? Killing a cat just because you own herps is ridiculous. Humanley or not. You are killing an animal that is doing what comes naturally. Nothing humane in that.
There are ways to keep cats away. For example, planting marigolds. Cats can't stand the smell. So plant them around the outside of your enclosures.
I have a doggy door and my cat and dog come and go as they please.

 

[Magpie]

i don't agree with killing someone's pet. are you saying you wouldnt argue if your snake escaped and the next door neighbour killed it because it went into their yard?

If my snake escaped, got out of my house and into their yard and killed either wildlife or one of their animals, then yes, they would be totally within their rights to kill my snake. I would not be happy with MYSELF about it. Especially if it happened repeatedly as in the case of my all the cats I have killed or rehoused.
All pets have the same rights and responsiblities. We all know that when a dog kills a cat there is an outcry from the cat loving public for it to be euthenased.

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

when i posted this this i didnt want to start a "kill the cat posse"..cats r beautiful animals that should be given the same consideration as any when it comes to pain and suffering,if ur out of town a 22 calibre is quick and effectiv...closer in we need to trrap them and take the things to the pound...the disprin makes for a prolonged and painful death....

 

[Magpie]

The correct thing to do would be to ensure your outdoor enclosures are cat proof. People have cats, Nothing you can do about it. Dumping them just leaves them to fend for themselves in the best way they can which includes killing native wild life. People cannot keep a cat in their yard unless they keep it inside the house. My house is a sauna, I can't afford air con so you expect me to keep an animal inside in the heat? Killing a cat just because you own herps is ridiculous. Humanley or not. You are killing an animal that is doing what comes naturally. Nothing humane in that.
There are ways to keep cats away. For example, planting marigolds. Cats can't stand the smell. So plant them around the outside of your enclosures.
I have a doggy door and my cat and dog come and go as they please.

Now THAT is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
I am not keeping my herps in your yard, why would it be correct for me to cat proof them?
By your logic, all my neighbours should be snake and monitor proofing their yard and houses so my animals can be allowed to do what comes natural for them.
It's very very simple, if you cannot look after the animal, don't get it.
What would you think of someone who bought a snake and was not prepared to buy it a cage and supply it with heating????????

 

[Dicco]

people talk about how those people in that US thread are idiots cos they think snake owners are irresponsible etc, yet most people here do the same thing with cats. sorry for the rant but it's hard being a lover of both and listening to people talk about killing them...just like its hard to hear of people killing snakes

That's a bit rough.
Let me tell you, if your snake comes into my yard and kills my animals like my neighbours cats have done in the past, I'll either kill it or rehouse it, same as I've done for several cats.
I've no problems with people owning cats, but they should never ever be allowed to leave that persons property. We don't allow snakes to do so, nor birds or goldfish. Why are cats the exception?
I have a RIGHT to live with no cats coming into my yard. My kids have a right not to get ringworm from cats crapping in their sandpit.
If menagerie can do it, surely everyone else could?

With the exception of those that are kept as pets, I find it wrong to kill a native animal that has killed a pet, the pets were the ones brought there, whilst the native animals have always been there, and shouldn't be procecuted for living as they always have, it's their home too, but if someone was to irrisponsibly allowed their pet, whatever it may be,on several occations to kill or harm their neighbours animals, then it is understandable for that person to take action.

 

[OuZo]

exactly bouncer. nobody tries the simple things. i had 2 people call me at the vet today with about 2 mins of each other about a product called Skunk Off (i think) which is supposed to be fantastic at repelling cats and dogs. but no, killing or rehoming someones BELOVED pet is the best way to go. people do love these animals you know, including me obviously.

why isnt it a fair comparison farmdog? almost the whole herp community wants them dead!

and what exactly do people think snakes eat in the wild? lab rats? they're eating the same stuff cats do...

 

[Bouncer]

Its not absurd at all. The fact is, cats are here, the cats in your yard may not even belong to a neighbour, they may have been dumped by idiots and are just homeless roamers. My point was, if you are worried about cats killing your herps, make sure they can't. No different to making sure wild birds can't get your lizards.

 

[Simon_Archibald]

I totally agree with Magpie on this...there is no other way to put it and his is the logical answer.

Simon Archibald

 

[Brodie]

I dont kill cats because they may kill my herps, all ofmy aviaries are cat proof.

If your house is a sauna and you cant afford aircon so therefore cannot keep it responsibly DONT KEEP IT.

I will kill any cat i find roaming around in my yard, whether it is that of my good friends next door, or some stray.

And zoe, it doesnt matter what snakes eat in the wild, they are native.

Obviously you know nothing about ecological niches!

 

[instar]

Couldnt a cat or cats be kept in an escape proof ,weatherproof and siutably large avairy, except when inside? ................(dont shoot please)

 

[Magpie]

exactly bouncer. nobody tries the simple things. i had 2 people call me at the vet today with about 2 mins of each other about a product called Skunk Off (i think) which is supposed to be fantastic at repelling cats and dogs. but no, killing or rehoming someones BELOVED pet is the best way to go. people do love these animals you know, including me obviously.

So an animal you love is allowed to roam freely, in traffic and with poeple like me around? to crap in kids sandpits, eat wildlife and get into fights with other cats and dogs. And up here, toads for them to eat.
What do you do with animals you don't love?

Its not absurd at all. My point was, if you are worried about cats killing your herps, make sure they can't. No different to making sure wild birds can't get your lizards.

So I should round up all the native herps in my yard that I encourage to live there, put them in a cage so you can let your cat roam free? Now that makes sense. The herpariums I use protect my animals from wild birds, however a determined cat can get into them.

The fact is, cats are here, the cats in your yard may not even belong to a neighbour, they may have been dumped by idiots and are just homeless roamers.

Yes, and these animals should be euthenased. I don't get your point there sorry.

 

[Simon_Archibald]

Yes cats could be humanely kept in an aviary...with modifications to make it suitable for all occasions.

Having said that, cats do NOT for ANY reason ever have to go outside to be healthy.

Simon Archibald

 

[jezza]

The correct thing to do would be to ensure your outdoor enclosures are cat proof. People have cats, Nothing you can do about it.

I am not especially fond of cat's as but don't hate em either. Each to their own I guess, I choose to keep lizards in my back yard so I build my pits cat proof. Except for the spencer pit, if a cat gets in there it deserves what it gets! Might save feeding her for a few days, We get cats in our yard constantly, however there visits are getting less often as they are always chased out, (usually with something flying through the air at em!) So I guess my coment is I have learned to live with the fact that people let their cats roam around so I have adapted to that fact.

 

[OuZo]

Obviously you know nothing about ecological niches!

well pardon me your honour.

I will kill any cat i find roaming around in my yard, whether it is that of my good friends next door, or some stray.

lovely friend you must be!

 

[Guest]

Couldnt a cat or cats be kept in an escape proof ,weatherproof and siutably large avairy, except when inside?

yep there are things around called cat runs with are like mesh tunnels that u can put around ur yard and house.

 

[farmdog]

why isnt it a fair comparison farmdog? almost the whole herp community wants them dead!

Zoe we could argue this point to the day we die sweetie but in the big picture cat kill reptile is well no big story but as soon as snake kills beloved cat its it the media some form or another.

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

instar ur right,,not really practical for the granny in a flat ,but as long as they r restricted,like dogs, that will keep the more important animals safe...

 

[OuZo]

are you a vet simon?

 

[Dicco]

Back on topic of the Bluey, tell us how he goes, I'm guessing he's fairly young from the pic.

 

[Brodie]

I am a great friend,
but I stand up for what I believe in, ANY cat in my yard will DIE if i see it.

And i have fed my olives humanely destroyed kittens before, and will happily do it agian, and I applaud any snake who eats a cat.

If you had a pet cane toad zoe, would you let it out of the house? Cats cause just as much damage as they do, and too even a wider range of species, and in many more types of habitats