Never any JUSTICE!

[dobermanmick]

Yep hugsta as long as they are 100% sure

 

[moosenoose]

My point wasn't to bring into light the death penalty. I realize this has many moral, political and lethal implications involved with it.

What I find difficult to swallow are justifying keeping rubbish like triple murderer Greg Brazel in our prisons with taxpayer?s money! Prisoners like this flaunt the rules over & over! Their disruptions in our system are considered a means of which to beat boredom and with that is generally associated the additional social burdens of further public funded hearings in court! So no, for these style of prisoners there should be exceptions to the rule! I sense there is a place for the death penalty; it?s only a matter of how more so than when, it should be properly implemented! Sure, there have been mistakes made and some sentences perhaps too harsh! People have been locked away for 25yrs or more, and then found out to be innocent! Does that mean we shouldn't lock people up, because at the end of the day it?s got some political strings attached to it? But does that also mean we have to put up with the trash that plague our prisons and flaunt those rules! I could think of at least a dozen of them, off hand, I?d gladly like to get rid of!

The thing that absolutely infuriates me is that we?d spend millions on our prison system keeping the likes of these inmates alive, furthermore in a better state of living than they are accustomed to, and even to say their victims, after they choose to willingly disrupt our society & the souls who, at times often struggle, to live by the laws of the land wishing only for a peaceful life.

My point is, I'm tired of seeing the accused get far better legal aid than the victim. I'm sick & tired of these sometimes multiple offenders getting slapped on the wrist by some of these judges only to walk away and recommit the same crime or worse! You see it week in, week out! The drink driver who kills an entire family one night tanked off his head on drugs & booze and cops a 6 month driving ban and a $2k fine! Judge says ?being he was not in full control of his faculties we deem him not totally at fault!? That?s wrong! The guy who grabs an elderly woman?s handbag knocking her to the ground, & ultimately killing her when her head hits the ground - the judge says? she fell & that?s what killed her, not the offender, he wasn?t to know that, he?s come from a poor upbringing, he?s the real victim of society? Wrong again!!! Where does it stop!? When do people start to take responsibility of their own actions! Where is the incentive?

Our judges are living in fairyland! They are constantly out of touch with society and what many deem proper justice! Too many times have I seen or read about cases where lives have been lost through crime, only to have the offender sentenced to what can only be described as minimal, pathetic, slap-in-the-face punishments that do nothing but rub more salt into the wounds of the victims they have harmed.

Sunday is not about harsher penalties, it?s not even about the death penalty! It?s about judges and the system acknowledging they?ve got things wrong at times, sometimes badly! It?s about giving a proper sentence to fit the crime! A PROPER SENTENCE! And that just doesn?t happen anymore and that?s the real crime!

ps. Instar, I don't think it has anything to do with the politics. It is about bringing the issues that are cons\cerning people under the spotlight and making judges more accountable for their actions. Question answered?

 

[Hickson]

The Death Penalty is not just a penalty for a crime committed - it is also a deterent to other would be offenders.

Hix

 

[SnakeWrangler]

Anyone who takes someone elses child or thier own and tortures and molests them dont deserve to live

Most cases of Peodophilia are not a simple as most people would like them to be, let me give you a senario, a person is born, 15 years later he goes on a killing spree, after many evaluations he is proven to have some mental illness, basically if the illness wasn't there the crimes would never have happened. Is he responsible for his crimes?

Most people don't want to hear it but Peodophilia in most cases is a mental illness, there is a defect in the brain which causes the person to feel attracted to children rather than adults, is it wrong, of course it is, should it be punished, of course if should, is it as clear cut as people want it to be, NO!

I am also a fan of capital punishment nothing else stops them!

This is flat out not true, in fact, the complete opposite is true, in most cases the offender can reprogram their way of thinking and stop offending, but they have to have a sincere desire to change.

Of course there are alot of murders, Peodophiles, rapists, etc... that do their crimes without any form of remorse, but not every offender is the same. It is natural that some crimes are more offensive than others but you have to think, what if a child is molested, they grow up to do the same, would they have ever done such a thing if it didn't happen to them, probably not.

Just my opinion. Cheers.

 

[Sdaji]

That whole 'the person isn't responsible for their actions because they had a traumatic childhood/genetic condition predisposing them to that type of behaviour/medical condition etc etc is such a load of garbage. Everyone is a product of their genes and environment. Every thing you and everyone else does is a product of your genes and environment. This doesn't just mean screwed up people, it means "healthy" and "well adjusted" people. No one can blame their genes or upbringing any more or less than anyone else, so it's ridiculous that some people get off because of these things. In my opinion, having such a 'medical condition' etc should be reason to increase a prison sentence, not decrease as if the person is incapable of controlling their actions they're likely to go out and do it again, especially if they get a little slap on the wrist each time.

 

[SnakeWrangler]

I wasn't advocating less punishment for such people, but rather different punishment. The majority of criminals for any sort of crime have been raised in a situation that builds into them a predisposition to do the same crimes, of course there are people that have not had anything like this in their childhood and this is exactly the kind of thing (not the only thing) that seperates the 2 kinds of criminals.

I completely believe that all people are responsible for their own actions, but it can be and in most cases is harder for a person to control their behaviour when they have been raised in an environment that promotes such behaviour. It is possible for people to "re-train" themselves which is why the different options should be given to those that have this kind of start in life.

All situations are unique, you cannot just bundle all murderers, rapists, peodophiles, etc... into the same bag, just like you cannot bundle all people who do not do these things into the same bag.

People need to open their mind to the reality of these kind of situations, nothing in life is ever black and white, there are always shades of grey.

Cheers.

 

[Sdaji]

Opinions differ but in my opinion a traumatic childhood or genetic condition is absolutely no excuse at all.

 

[SnakeWrangler]

I agree, no excuse, but people from this background have a better chance of rehabilitation. That's all I'm saying.

 

[jimmy_the_kid]

i have to say im stongly against sex offenders and rape as my mum sister and girlfriend were all raped not by the same person but still i think that not every gurl that crys rape might not be telling the truth and im sure alot of gurls have slept with guys called it rape just to get a quick buck and i know thats not the case all of the time probley hardly any of the time but i think life in prisonment would be a suitable sentance with anylucky the sex offenders will cop the old wat goes around comes around and get rapped by a big black guy named bubba

 

[hugsta]

Moosey, well written and well said, I couldn't agree more.

As for ppl who have mental conditions I would have to agree with Sdaji.

In my opinion, having such a 'medical condition' etc should be reason to increase a prison sentence, not decrease as if the person is incapable of controlling their actions

Martin Bryant is the perfect example, shoots, kills and injures too many ppl and all in front of the police and what do they do, put him in gaol because he has a mental illness. Poor guy - not - the death penalty should have been at the scene of the crime. The police should have shot him on the day. It was pretty obvious he did it, but no, he has a mental illness so it's not his fault. mmmmm, so we can't let him go, so we'll imprison him for the rest of his life. Don't think so, he'll get out, won't be for a while but he will eventually.

It's cases like these that should have the death penalty, without question. My niece has the same mental disorder as Martin Bryant and I have seen what she can do when in a fit of rage. This is a twelve yr old girl who is absolutely perfect until her routine gets messed up. She gets so out of control that her father even struggles to hold her back. She will go inot her room and come out a couple of hours later and cannot remember a thing that happened when questioned.

The point being, if she did what Martin Bryant did, then she would deserve the same. It is only a matter of time before she is old enough to be out of control and it is a scary thought, but you cannot do anything until a crime is commited. All the medication in the world won't help if they don't want help.

These sentances that are given by judges are just as bad as what ppl will sue you for these days. It's a f@#*en joke.
It is about time we start taking responsability for our own actions and not blame innocent others.

IMO anyway....

 

[Dicco]

Is Martin Bryant the sick ..deleted who slaughtered all those ppl in Port Auther?

 

[nuthn2do]

Is Martin Bryant the sick f#&@in b*stard who slaughtered all those ppl in Port Auther?

So the story goes

Lets see
IQ of 66
Shooting from the hip he killed the first 12 people in 15 seconds, most of which were neck and head shots. All up 20 dead in the Broad Arrow Cafe in 90 seconds.
His overall kill to injure ratio at Port Arthur was 1.6 to 1, a figure rarely achieved even by special force teams.
The average for similar crimes world wide is 6 injured to 1 dead, for every 3 victims Martin shot he killed 2.
Yet at the house "Seascape" he fired over 250 shots at police without hitting a single target.
His proven firearms experience prior to this was a Webley single shot air rifle.

Mmmmm

 

[Nome]

I believe no one has the right to have an opinion on what should happen to pedophiles or be able to judge them (as in a judge in court) until they have been personally involved in the absolute devastation that these animals do to families. it doesn't just have a life-long effect on the victim, but all the people around them, and often for generations to come. These people forfiet their right to life as soon as they abuse a child. Only 2% of the people that are prosecuted actually go to jail. you know why? Because the defense lawyers play on the victim's memory opressions and shame. it is very easy to do that, because the children abused have to separate themselves from the situation mentally in order to survive, and therefore the abuse is never clear in their mind. I personally know someone who has been abusing young girls for 60 years, and now works as a voluteer in the children's hospital, a 'babysitter' in the day surgery unit. We have done everything we can to get him out of there, but the court system has made it so hard, and these people are so damn clever at their manipulation tactics of their victims' minds. My sister is now permanantley in a mental hospital because she was abused by this person for 10 years, and she is only 14. That's right, the bastard started on her when she was 4 years old. Her life is over before it began.

These people have no right to live, whatsoever, they make a choice to lay a hand on a child, and only death can cure them.

Is Martin Bryant the sick b*stard who slaughtered all those ppl in Port Auther?

So the story goes

Lets see
IQ of 66
Shooting from the hip he killed the first 12 people in 15 seconds, most of which were neck and head shots. All up 20 dead in the Broad Arrow Cafe in 90 seconds.
His overall kill to injure ratio at Port Arthur was 1.6 to 1, a figure rarely achieved even by special force teams.
The average for similar crimes world wide is 6 injured to 1 dead, for every 3 victims Martin shot he killed 2.
Yet at the house "Seascape" he fired over 250 shots at police without hitting a single target.
His proven firearms experience prior to this was a Webley single shot air rifle.

Mmmmm

Nuthin, are you of the belief that he didn't do it and it is a conspiracy? I have heard about the group that travels around putting on seminars about
this belief, interesting.

 

[nuthn2do]

I don't doubt he was involved, it's obvious he was in some capacity. Just a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[peterescue]

The Death Penalty is not just a penalty for a crime committed - it is also a deterent to other would be offenders.

Hix

I suppose thats why countries with the death penalty have so few jails and hardly anyone commits crimes.
Have a look at what can get you the death penalty in some countries.

 

[Slateman]

Hmm. I would not like to be Lindy Chamberlain in the world some of the people seek in this topic.
Just imagin the feeling to be in the electric chair if you are not guilty and sentence wrongly.
And your family and kids are told mumy is the killer.

 

[instar]

ps. Instar, I don't think it has anything to do with the politics. It is about bringing the issues that are cons\cerning people under the spotlight and making judges more accountable for their actions. Question answered?


Moosey, that is political mate, you have to get enough folk to care, then you have to find a politician/s that care, then you have to get enough folk to vote for them, then you hope they will bring in legislation you wanted in the first place ! ..............Thats politics!
No amount of demonstrations and well meaning whining will make any difference at all, if the public dont decide enmass to make a change. sad but true! Unfortunatly ,step 2 (finding politicians who care, and who are honest, fair dinkum and not just promising anything that will bring votes (like tax cuts) and who will do their job is the biggest setback to acheiving what we expect of society. Imho, junkets, cars, holidays, and other lurks and perks get in the way of what the job (politician) is really about!

 

[dobermanmick]

Anyone who takes someone elses child or thier own and tortures and molests them dont deserve to live

Most cases of Peodophilia are not a simple as most people would like them to be, let me give you a senario, a person is born, 15 years later he goes on a killing spree, after many evaluations he is proven to have some mental illness, basically if the illness wasn't there the crimes would never have happened. Is he responsible for his crimes?

Most people don't want to hear it but Peodophilia in most cases is a mental illness, there is a defect in the brain which causes the person to feel attracted to children rather than adults, is it wrong, of course it is, should it be punished, of course if should, is it as clear cut as people want it to be, NO!

I am also a fan of capital punishment nothing else stops them!

This is flat out not true, in fact, the complete opposite is true, in most cases the offender can reprogram their way of thinking and stop offending, but they have to have a sincere desire to change.

Of course there are alot of murders, Peodophiles, rapists, etc... that do their crimes without any form of remorse, but not every offender is the same. It is natural that some crimes are more offensive than others but you have to think, what if a child is molested, they grow up to do the same, would they have ever done such a thing if it didn't happen to them, probably not.

Just my opinion. Cheers.

Snakewrangler Do you have kids ?
I did not feel as strongly about it till i had kids of my own
now i cant even let them walk to school by themselves as some pervert is trying to abduct kids from my area and other areas in brisbane !

I Cant believe you think that they dont re-offend the next best thing to the death penalty would be letting them in the general population in prison ,Let those guys sort them out !

 

[Guest]

His overall kill to injure ratio at Port Arthur was 1.6 to 1, a figure rarely achieved even by special force teams.

You cant (not you, just in general) compare what he did to what a group of special forces can do. In his situation, it was like shooting sitting ducks, whereas, the special forces have possible targets that can, and will. shoot back and are even trained instinctively to get out of the way of a person shooting at them. But in a good assualt, no shots should be recieved from the enemy, after all, its about stealth and the element of suprise.

the death penalty would be letting them in the general population in prison ,Let those guys sort them out !

From people i know and have known in long term jail sentences, that is what will and does happen to the mongrels.

Alan.

 

[dobermanmick]

From people i know and have known in long term jail sentences, that is what will and does happen to the mongrels.

Alan.

My mates a prison officer in the dog squad at wacol prison some of the stories he tells me are eyeopeners!

And he says that the women are worse then the men !