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So a few months ago, I graciously took ownership of a close friend's (assumed to be) Children's python. Everything was done legitimately - I made sure her license was valid, she checked mine, looked at the forms, we did the movement advice, all of that stuff. On the forms he'd been written down as an A. childreni which is what he was originally sold as. Now I've known this snake since he was tiny, he'd be roughly 5 years old at this point. From the time he was a tiny little thing to now, he's had extremely vibrant markings that stand out against a lighter brown background.

Now it's my understanding that these markings are present in several python species but in childreni at least they fade as they reach adulthood. That's the thing - this guy's markings haven't faded one bit and he's pretty sizable now. I've tried to figure it out by looking online but have really only become more confused.

Here's a few pictures of him (link in text) so you can see what he looks like now. Right after a shed he is astoundingly vibrant, it gets a little more subdued over the next few days but he never fades to the muted slightly-splotchy brown I've seen in so many pictures of this species. My guess, or my theory, is that he might have simply been mislabelled at the original point of purchase - the way I've heard it this can be easy given they look quite similar when young?

All of that aside, he's a brilliant snake, very friendly and easy to handle and absolutely gorgeous to look at. He doesn't flick his tongue though. He eats just fine, but the tongue-flicking just doesn't seem to be his thing.

Also, this is my first post although I'm a lurker since I owned this little dude. You guys seem to be pretty damn helpful when the chips are down. So hello from me, I'm sure I can learn a lot from being here.
 
Childreni by the look of it but do a scale count etc first as that's the only true indication of subspecies
 
Yeah, good luck getting him to hold still long enough to do that XD Also, where do I count from?

If you say childreni then I'm happy to go with that. What's the giveaway though? I'm guessing it's not too unusual to have a vibrantly-marked specimen?
 
Welcome :)

I cant open the pics.... Toung flicking is how they suss new things out.... the fact yours is otherwise healthy but doesnt TF much, would indicate he must be very relaxed and 'used to' his environment, so, nothing new to check out... no need to toung flick. :)

What about when you give him a feed? does he toung flick at the rat/mouse?
 
Welcome :)

I cant open the pics.... Toung flicking is how they suss new things out.... the fact yours is otherwise healthy but doesnt TF much, would indicate he must be very relaxed and 'used to' his environment, so, nothing new to check out... no need to toung flick. :)

What about when you give him a feed? does he toung flick at the rat/mouse?

Nope, not at all. He looks at it, then strikes and wraps straight away. He knows what they are. Obviously not feeding him live - they're pre-killed and then frozen (and then thawed in a cup of hot water) fuzzy rats. He loves them. Practically inhales them. I've got a vegetarian friend who was initially repulsed but then couldn't look away when he was busy chowing down.

As for the tongueflicking I can't say I've ever seen him do it, to be honest - even when he's sniffing something new, he just angles his head and sticks his nose to it.

Maybe he's just a bit derp.

The link is the text "here's some images" - I would have used imgur but they were over capacity (yet again) and all my uploads were derailing at 78%.

Looks like a Spotted Python to me.

Oh god now I don't know what to believe!!

At the end of the day it doesn't matter much in one way or the other, because from what I can tell both species hit about the same adult size and have the same temperament.
 
There is bugger all between them mainly localities and distribution and in captivity they have been crossbreed so who knows anymore
 
My first instinct call too...

But whatever it is Konp69 sounds like your really happy with it so at the end of the day it is what it is a nice little snake.

Well yeah that's exactly it. I've wanted a snake since I was knee-high to a grasshopper so when my friend said she was giving hers up (she'd just had her first kid not long before and no longer had the time to handle him and it was getting inconvenient to feed him - imagine if the new kid had decided to take a grab at it) I jumped on the chance. Glad I did too - snakes are beautiful creatures, even the deadly ones. It's great to watch them explore things.


See like 3 or 4 people have said this now and only one has gone for children's so it's beginning to look like he was christened wrong. Oh well. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care - he's the same snake he was before I asked the question :p
 
The pics did load up.... thats a spotted for sure. It is a dead ringer for mine and does the same hang from the ceiling trick as mine :lol: Both antaresia,Spotties (maculosa) are just bigger than childrens (childreni), very similar, especially when hatchies.... awsome snakes to have.... Yours is a nice looking specimin :D
 

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The pics did load up.... thats a spotted for sure. It is a dead ringer for mine and does the same hang from the ceiling trick as mine :lol: Both antaresia,Spotties (maculosa) are just bigger than childrens (childreni), very similar, especially when hatchies.... awsome snakes to have.... Yours is a nice looking specimin :D

Guess that's that then. Also, that's a damn fine looking snake if I say so myself.

Yeah, the one thing that seems to draw the most comments is how shiny he is. His scales are really very healthy-looking and he has the rainbow sheen all over him.

At the moment he tends to come out more at night. I recently got him a 100 watt heat bulb (didn't need one before as the weather was very warm and there's a low-wattage heat mat under the left-hand 1/3 of the tank) and I've caught him curled up directly under it and above the mat in the middle of the night a few times. During the day he usually just hangs out in his log.
 
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Am I the only person really intrigued by NEVER 'tongue flicking'?

I don't have the answer - doesn't seem to be a problem at all... but I would love to hear some theories :D
 
Am I the only person really intrigued by NEVER 'tongue flicking'?

I don't have the answer - doesn't seem to be a problem at all... but I would love to hear some theories :D

Well initially I was slightly concerned so I googled it - a few things told me that it could mean his tongue had gotten stuck to the roof of his mouth and "glued" there if it'd been injured and healed wrong or if he'd had a respiratory infection, and this was at the same time as his breathing was audibly "whistly", so of course I freaked out - but then he shed and the whistles went away. Also, he has happily fed every weekend since we've had him, and from what I could ascertain if he had the tongue problem he wouldn't be able to do that (imagine if your tongue adhered to the top of your mouth - not terribly comfortable I would imagine).

I'm going to go with my new theory, which is that he's simply a little retarded. I have a cat that is useless at being a cat (no grace, doesn't understand subtlety, doesn't have a hunting instinct, couldn't sneak up on a corpse, is the most gentle non-aggressive cat I've ever met - seriously, he has not hissed once since we've had him) a cockatiel who can't seem to figure out how to bird properly - so of course I'd wind up with a snake who didn't do the typical snake thing.

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Just to mention about the wheezing thing - a few other things I read said this is common immediately pre or post-shed due to dry scales/skin around the nasal area, and also if your snake exhales sharply. He hasn't had any mucus bubbling or grossness at his nose and absolutely no other behaviour that would indicate infection.
 
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if you have doubts about your python, take it to the vet and find out. get them to have a look at. ( the tongue thing etc. )
if your tight on money and dont want to spend money on something you should care about, then dont own one.
species wise, it looks like a spotted. and in saying that, ive noticed spotteds go abit dull in colour etc.
the previous owner should know what it is.
get snakes from reputable/quality breeders.
 
if you have doubts about your python, take it to the vet and find out. get them to have a look at. ( the tongue thing etc. )if your tight on money and dont want to spend money on something you should care about, then dont own one.species wise, it looks like a spotted. and in saying that, ive noticed spotteds go abit dull in colour etc.the previous owner should know what it is.get snakes from reputable/quality breeders.
be nice bud
 
was it purchased from NSW originally? Way back when (well not that long ago) they lumped all the antaresia into one and called them childreni. Some of the old keepers did it all the time. But I was told by DERM that it doesn't matter, I kinda figured it did if I was going to breed it.
 
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