our new diamond python

[JandC_Reptiles]

Why breed from them at all?
You may be honest about their background (not showing this in your description so far) or may sell them as pets only, but who is to say the future owners will be as forthcoming with the truth? Hybrids are nothing but a pollution to the hobby that creates confusement & annoyance.

Do yourself and every other keeper in Aus a favour & purchase pure animals if you intend on breeding. Don't even bother selling it, keep it as a pet only till it dies or cull it yourself. The less cross breeds on the market the better IMO.

 

[mungus]

Well, my opinion is that if you were breeding Port Mac's as Greg Hollis was / is, then I classify them as pure Port Mac Diamonds - period.
If begin to dabble & start throwing 2 different species together, that would NOT naturally breed
in the wild, then I would definately call it a " hybrid " !!!

 

[mungus]

J&C reptiles,
Are'nt Port. Mac. Diamonds snakes found in the wild ?
So how's it a HYBRID ???

 

[Australis]

J&C reptiles,
Are'nt Port. Mac. Diamonds snakes found in the wild ?
So how's it a HYBRID ???

No one has called a Port Mac a hybrid.

Basically, you cant put a Coastal and a Diamond together and call the offspring "intergrade(s)" comparable to a port mac locality carpet.

Port Mac Carpets ARE NOT the result of natural crossing, they are just a locality form of Carpet python.

 

[JandC_Reptiles]

Mungus,
Throwing a coastal over a diamond in captivity (even though they may breed together in the wild) won't give you a natural intergrade, or a port mac Diamond as you suggest, it will still be a hybrid, just like a bredli cross jungle. Natural intergrades have been crossbreeding & inbreeding for generations upon generations to the extent of forming an entire new sub-species (according to many) due to evolution. A natural intergrade can not be replicated in captivity by cross breeding the 2 (besides it wouldn't be a natural intergrade if it didn't occur naturally would it lol)

And to maintain Gregs pure line, his intergrades would have to be bred with other pure intergrades from the same locality. You couldn't put one of his intergrades over a Coastal or Diamond and claim them pure imo, because they would then be a "natural intergrade x Coastal or Diamond)

EG: I don't know about labelling them "Port Mac Diamonds" when they are infact "Natural Intergrades" (if thats the case). To me that just proves my above statement that there is confusement & annoyance Why would they be labelled a pure Diamond local (as thats what I read when I see Port Mac Diamond) when they are naturally cross bred with Coastals? Surely in the same location that there is natural intergrades there may also be pure Diamonds & Coastals? (if they havn't been outbred) So are we to assume that Port Mac Diamonds are ALL tainted with Coastal blood? or not? See the confusement yet?

Label them for what they are.
Hybrids - cross bred in captivity.
Intergrades - naturally occuring in the wild.

Forget any other title for them, port mac diamonds, port mac coastals, port mac carpets isn't a true description imho. Port mac natural intergrade is exactly what they are...

 

[mungus]

Hang on,
lets get this right - a Port Mac. Diamond is not a hybrid snake - [ intergrade snake ?? ]
So if I breed Port Mac DP to Port. Mac DP the hatchies would not be hybrid ?
If I buy or sell a Port Mac what snake code / scientific Name to I put down on my
Fauna Record book ??
I can't see anywhere where it say's " Port Macquarie Diamond " in their selections ?
I've always put down T2025 etc.

 

[Australis]

Hang on,
lets get this right - a Port Mac. Diamond is not a hybrid snake - [ intergrade snake ?? ]

If you bred from animal taken from the port mac area those of spring will be pure locality caprets, yes that is correct.

So if I breed Port Mac DP to Port. Mac DP the hatchies would not be hybrid ?

No they wouldnt be hybrids.

 

[mungus]

Australis,
I think someone just called a Port. Mac DP a " Hybrid "

 

[JandC_Reptiles]

If you are reffering to me I called them a "naturally occuring intergrade" not a hybrid

 

[mungus]

I stand corrected J & C. - did,nt read it properly, to many replies.
So when I breed them they will be natural intergrades not hybrids,
and will be sold as such.
As for a selling price, well we will have to see.

 

[Australis]

Yeah its 75% Diamond and a bit coastel.

Why is this animals now forsale as a Diamond? When its a hybrid?

 

[Australis]

http://www.reptilesdownunder.com/ahc/animal.php?saleID=10330

 

[Hetty]

http://www.reptilesdownunder.com/ahc/animal.php?saleID=10330

How do you know it's the same animal? just curious

 

[Australis]

How do you know it's the same animal? just curious

Exact same markings, exact same enclosure, exact same age..etc..etc..

 

[Hetty]

Exact same markings, exact same enclosure, exact same age..etc..etc..

Oh, one of those obvious things that I can't see :lol:

 

[python blue]

well it was sold to me as a pure diamond mitchdiamond just made it up as thats what he thinks ok why are people on this site so negative why do u try to drive away people from the site not naming any names but AUSTRALIS AND JANDC AND THE NOTHING

 

[Australis]

Im not trying to drive anyone too or from anywhere

But seriously, now its made up that its 25% Coastal... come on.

Im not knocking the animal, just be honest sell it for what it is someone will still buy it im sure.

Why are you selling it so fast anyways? didnt you only just get it?

 

[Hetty]

well it was sold to me as a pure diamond mitchdiamond just made it up as thats what he thinks ok why are people on this site so negative why do u try to drive away people from the site not naming any names but AUSTRALIS AND JANDC AND THE NOTHING

:lol:

This is my problem with hybrids, people trying to sell them as pures.

 

[hornet]

it may have been sold you you as a pure but its not so y sell it as a pure, thats just irresponsible

 

[GSXR_Boy]

I agree,but, say he sells it as a hybrid, what is to stop someone down the track selling it as a pure? (yeah i know that;s the trouble with hybrids!!)