reptile sale slump???

[yommy]

Touch'e waterrat,

like you said it will go on with ebbs and flows, its just those who have over invested big $$$ to make $$$ that will really feel this pinch but those who are in it for the passion and animals and are smart about their collections will surf the next crest. The reptile hobby is like surfing you get good and bad waves its all about reading the surf and enjoying the good rides

 

[stencorp69]

I have been trying to find a sw carpet python here in WA ,found some in a pet city store yearlings $1000 each (cross that store of the list). After finding a breeder i got a price of 770 for yearling and 640 for a 3month old hatchling, there is nothing cheap in perth WA :cry:

Plenty of SWCP Hatchies around for $500 PM me and I'll give you a contact

 

[ozziepythons]

Such strong opinions and detailed marketing analysis.
Smart people know what to buy and where to find it, silly people don't, whether they're newbies or old crocs. The hype is over, the slump will be over in time, the hobby and the reptile business will go on no matter what. "Don't worry , be happy".

Yes herpetoculture will prevail, with the peaks and troughs in sales flowing through time as the hobby changes. I think as predicted by some big names in the industry that morphs will soon dominate and wild type specimens will plumment further in price. Lifes only constant is change, so be it with herpetoculture. There is something to be said to be involved in the research side of herpetology, such as being active in field work, and being in touch with these animals in their wild state apart from the keeping and breeding side of it.

 

[chilli]

Pairs from the same clutch are not ideal to use as breeders. It's hard to balance the inbreeding/line breeding required to fix desirable genetic traits and the diversity required for a healthy individual, but it should be a consideration in all pairings.

old wive's tale, there is absolutely no evidence to back this sentiment up.

 

[cris]

old wive's tale, there is absolutely no evidence to back this sentiment up.

Inbreeding depression is a real issue, however it isnt always going to cause problems and in captivity i cant see it causing problems if only good quality animals are used for breeding. There are examples of inbreeding causing harm to wild snake populations and also examples of inbred populations thriving. The advantage in captivity is that you dont need to worry about the good snakes dying by chance. A good breeder will notice when recessive problems appear and can avoid them and even eradicate them completely. By breeding clutch mates there is chance they may be het for something, it could be bad, undetectable or something that is worth $$$$$$.

Most dog breeds were made by heavily inbreeding, the problem they have now is that they are mostly bred for appearance rather than working or other practical tasks that require good fitness. Poor selection is the real problem.

 

[Jungletrans]

l notice that the term " investers " keeps poping up . These would be the same people who have driven the price of classic cars and bikes out of the reach of enthusiasts . Who have driven property prices up so far that the Aussie dream of owning your own house is a nightmare . The sooner they go broke and eat their antique , collectable gun the better . l hope they enjoy their expensive reptile collection when the price bottoms out . People seem to be blaming the small breeders for the over supply of hatchies , what about the mega breeders with hundreds of snakes packed into racks ?

 

[Waterrat]

Brother, Cuba still takes immigrants. There, in the land of good music, big cigars and no possessions, all people are equal, all poor. China and North Korea are the other two still surviving communist countries. No classic cars, bikes or investors there - a total paradise for people with sentiments like yours.
No offence brother, I was born and grew up under socialist regime and your sentiments are so familiar to me. Today, I own my house and I also have a nice collection of antique guns. :evil:
Ohhh, I also worked all my life for my money, never belonged to any Union, never been on dole.

 

[Jungletrans]

Brother, Cuba still takes immigrants. There, in the land of good music, big cigars and no possessions, all people are equal, all poor. China and North Korea are the other two still surviving communist countries. No classic cars, bikes or investors there - a total paradise for people with sentiments like yours.
No offence brother, I was born and grew up under socialist regime and your sentiments are so familiar to me. Today, I own my house and I also have a nice collection of antique guns. :evil:
Ohhh, I also worked all my life for my money, never belonged to any Union, never been on dole.

l never said l was poor , l make mega bucks , but l work for it . Nothing wrong with investors speculatiing , just look at the US markets . l;m not against posessions either , just people getting into something " just for the money " and screwing it up for the enthusiusts . By the way Cuba is FULL of classic American cars , that is what most people drive there . Oh and l collect swords and knives , for my enjoyment , not to push the market up to make money .