Scam...or not??

[BROWNS]

Yep i've dealt with Tim several times and top notch service every time.Tim also picked out what's turned out to be one of my best jungles which i bought sight unseen but Tim did go out of his way to get pics of the mother and i just asked what he'd class it as and he said it's a little rip snorter and it sure was and still is.Breeding from her this season hopefully.

On the other hand just today i received a pair of guaranteed proven breeders and got to see pics of both carpets and one of their offspring which was a gorgeous looking snake,but as i got the first one out which was the supposed smaller male which looked ok but still very small for apparently 6 years old.Then i went to get the supposed large female out and i put my hand in the ag and pulled out a short skinny bloody carpet that i very highly doubt is anywhere near condition to breed which was what i was led to believe a large 6-7 fot carpet that was as far as i'm concerned a dudd.I am awaiting an opinion from a friend before i go ahead and approach the seller but i'll stick up a pic of the large female that's bred 4 times supposedly rardy rardy rarr Unless proven otherwise that she is right to breed etc i will be asking for a full refund...everything was straight up,i saw pics,they looked great but the goods weren't anywhere near as good as led to believe and i ask a lot of questions when buying a snake let alone a supposed breeding pair of carpets :evil:

 

[BROWNS]

Ok,here's a pic of a supposed large breeder female :shock: I would love to know how many people think this snake is rightb to breed letalone bred 4 times and is around 6 years old?

Most people know how big a small can of TOD is so that gives you an idea on size :?

 

[Ricko]

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browneye that looks to be a small carpet looking at its head in comparison to that can. was that animal bought from URS or are you letting people know that you saw pics of them and stuff but they are not what you expected to turn up? but what you got from URS in a jungle was just outstanding and you didnt see it?

 

[BROWNS]

RE: Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

yep and not from urs,jungle was....not a bad wrap for URS just relating to buying snakes unseen and i saw pics yet got this.Looked heaps bigger in pics on the add and it said large female :roll: bred 4 times apparently andyou should see what the pair supposedly produce :shock:

 

[Ricko]

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got any pics of these :| ?? hopefully it works out for ya champ. how ya been anyways?

 

[farmdog]

RE: Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

Browns thats tiny no way it could have successfully laid fertile eggs, poo talkers thats what it is mate My Darwin is bigger and he is a bit over 4 ft

 

[BROWNS]

here's a pic after a feed on a medium rat which is what i'm feeding 2nd year animals with...the water bowl is one of the tiny ones from URS.

It's not her length but her condition and girth is poor and in my opinion nowhere near ready to breed.Twice the girth would be a good condition for a carpet this age ready for breeding even if it were a small jungle.

Here's a pic of the male which does look the age it's said to be going by the head size but the condition again as you can see is very skinny which is not too bad for a male but he still should have some more weight on him.

Head shot..

As i said these were advertised and sold as a proven breeding pair but to me in no way is the female a breeder,at least not at the girth she has now,maybe twice the girth another season when they were breeding i may believe it,but as they are now it was a complete waste of money to me which i'd rather have bought something else with now :evil: I still haven't spoken to the seller and wouldn't mind some more input from anyone especially breeders opinions on wether the female carpet is right to breed remembering she has a feed in her in the last pic of her.That's another thing the 2 were absolutely starving and i copped a good tag from the female which i was told had never bitten but was a bit flighty although she is the opposite,nice and calm and she went me although it was a feeding response and both carpets hit and constricted the hell out of the rats like they hadn't had one in a year...

All input appreciated.I don't want to get angry about it and have a go at the seller but i have to at least tell them i'm far from happy and the animals weren't what they were described as.

 

[Stevo]

I doubt very much that she has bred for the past four seasons. Maybe you should post the pic of the *claimed* offspring that you were sent.

 

[OuZo]

maybe she's skinny cos he let her incubate her own eggs or sumthin? or maybe he didn't get enough condition on her before breeding? just chuckin stuff out there

 

[Pike01]

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Browns, she looks alright to breed to me, not skinny, wouldnt be breeding her with that male though

 

[BROWNS]

I doubt very much that she has bred for the past four seasons. Maybe you should post the pic of the *claimed* offspring that you were sent.

Here's a pic of a 2 year old apparently produced by this pair which was why i wante them and i could sort of see with the cape type pattern or jungle like pattern crossed with a diamond coastal cross where the colour and pattern may come from but i guess only the seller knows the answer to that.So they're full on hybrids and this supposed offspring is a little different than a regular Darwin but still looks pure darwin to me,and this personbred Darwins too..

That's the reason i bought this supposed proven breeding pair and i got the bit for bred 4 times wrong ,it was 4 years they'd had them for and this animal above is a 2 year old "apparently" from this pairs first breeding.Zo i asked all sorts nof questions and told the person i didn't believe the offspring came from that pair and was told they were right for breeding and if i wanted them cooled etc..

So come on people who reckons this could be true and could the female possibly lay even a small clutch?

And what do you mean even me oldman?

 

[Dicco]

They expect you to beleive that THAT came from THOSE two????

 

[BROWNS]

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Browns, she looks alright to breed to me, not skinny, wouldnt be breeding her with that male though

Dunno which photo you're looking at but the one on this page is after a massive feed,she's no thicker than a broom handle,that's one of those tiny water bowls,i've seen yearlings this size!!!!!

 

[BROWNS]

RE: Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

Just got an email and replied so awaiting reply.... this is what i asked below

They arrived just fine but i have a few things that i'd like to ask.The
female was advertised as large and the 2 as a proven breeding pair but that
female couldn't possibly breed now and looks like it hasn't bred before at
all as it's tiny for it's age,and very skinny,way to skinny to breed.But you
say you've bred them 2 or more times and they produced what looks like a
pure Darwin to me and many others i know.The 3 year old offspring you said
was from first clutch looks asbig as the mother.These were bought forbreding
which we both know but she's definitely not ready to breed now and if you
reckon she will i'll eat my hat.Looks like neither have had a good feed in
ages and they ate ravenously last night.

I'm not wanting to cause any hassles so could you please tell me if this
female will breed or was ready to breed when you sent it?Maybe a couple of
other pics of babies from them etc.I'm not happy with the condition of both
animals and for breeding purposes the malwe may well do it's job even if
skinny but the female is even smaller than he is.You advetised her as large
female when she is tiny.It seems like everything's turned out opposite to
whatyou've told me.I'd love to have some proof that they're the actual real
parents to the Darwin looking offspring.How many times have they bred an how
many eggs in each clutch?

As i said i don't want any hassles,but just want toclear this up as i'm
sorry to say i'm far from happy.If you could please shed some light on my
questions i'd appreciate it very much and i'll re evaluate after iget your
reply.

Regards,
Andrew.........

tried ring today but no reception i remember you saying

 

[BROWNS]

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sorry 2 year old offspring from first clutch not 3 year old

 

[BROWNS]

Well the seller is away but borrowed a pc to see if they arrived ok and their reply is as below and some key q's weren't answered, but, as in the sale they seemed legit as they do here again...am i jumping the gun and in the wrong here to ask what i have asked?Surely that female won't breed?Would she throw say even 5 eggs,remember to compare size to small TOD can in first pic i posted and i apologise as i have hijacked this thread..sorry bout that.

Here's the reply....

just quickly missing those few feeds would never make a difference for her
to breed as it would've added barely any weight and condition at all.You
said they were proven breeders.How many eggs in their clutches.The add when
you went to the pic of the two you mentioned said large female,anyway just a
quick as reply,please no dramas but the snake is not ready to breed,or are
you saying it is,those few feeds makes no difference ...

Regards,

Andrew.....

ps we'll work this out civily
----- Original Message -----
From: "mouse ." <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: AHC Query: Carpet x (saleID=4020)


> Hi Andrew,
>
> IM dissapointed to hear you say you are not impressed nor happy with the
> pair.
>
> I advised you of there last feed approx 3 weeks prior to you stating you
> wish to purchase them. Then there is the two weeks between you paying and
> one week me sending. We both agreed not to feed a week before they were
> sent. The reason there were not feed for the 3 weeks prior to you stating
> you wanted them, was for the same reason, in case they were to fly.
> Now i could have feed them inthe time you said you wanted and paid but you
> would say would pay today then it was a few days later. Were both at fault
> over those 3 weeks of delay.
>
> They are both great eaters as advised, will eat up to a 1.3g in food per
> sitting. I normally feed them every 9-11 days before cooling down. So bare
> in mind they have missed 6 weeks which is approx 5 feeds x 1.3 kg now
> break that down in to consumed energy and kiljoiles.
>
> I stated her size in lenght you didn't ask me to weight her. I didn't use
> the word LARGE i used her size in lenght, as i did for both of them. One
> of the pictures you would have seen would have been her in the front and
> him in the back. That tank is 1200deep look how much space they took up,
> at least 1050 of it going backwards.
>
> I showed you Darrin's snake it was 2yrs old not 3 as you have mention. As
> i mentioned to you, im unaware what they are crossed with you assumed cape
> york or darwin looking for Darrin's hatchling. As advised they were all
> different looking, and im not an expert so i couldn't tell you what there
> outlook OF the hatchlings would be.
> I only know of one person who has one, thats Darrin.
>
> I advised you that the male was infact larger then the female and was the
> back one in the picture.
>
> I will send some pics when i get back of eggs etc.
>
> Im not sure what else i can tell you. I must say i am hurt and upset by
> your email.
> I will check my emails again when i get back. I have pulled a few strings
> to be able to type this to you now.

And believe me the add had a pic which i'm sure many of you saw saying large female and they were advertised as a proven breeding pair and they knew i intended on breeding them.Those 3 weeks or few missed feeds doesn't change the condition of an animal that much that it would be in breeding condition if it had been fed right through and when i first said i'd take them i was asked what i wanted them to do,cool or keep feeding so they've had a week or so with no heat and had a huge feed each the night after i received them.

This means by rights cosidering i'm in Nth Qld and it's only just started getting a bit colder here i could feed her right up for a month or more and she'd be in breeding condition and carpets breed much later up here than down south even another 2 months feeding"they're definitely still on the chew" and are starving.

Iam at a bit of a loss here as i firmly believe that female is nowhere near ready for breeding and it is supposed to be 6 years old...i have 2-3 year old animals with heads the same size as this female and they're twice the girth and only just ready to breed.Who believes this is possible as well as that darwin looking animal coming from the pair?

Please i'd appreciate some experienced opinion here...thanks!!!

oh yeah forgot to mention they said they had only 5 minutes to use a pc as they're camping which was why a very quick short to the point reply to make sure they'd get my reply in time which they obviously did..

 

[steve6610]

hi andrew,
can't say much about them breeding, but the photo on this page looks a lot like a darwin to me, i'd be unhappy if i recieved the snakes in that condition when i was buying a "breeding pair", hope they come good for you,

cheers,
steve.......

 

[Guest]

Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

)The even you browns is me returning stick mate :lol: and if thats not a full blood darwin browns dobermanmick can start an ant farm(2year old :roll: The female could possibly be big enough to breed as pike says but what about the previous years of breeding its just codswollup crap and if i bought them ide be fair dinkum spewing. :evil: And to correct myself it is two years but i believe pure darwin. :twisted:

 

[BROWNS]

So no other breeders have an opinion,or just don't want to voice it :shock:

The even you browns is me returning stick mate

Ah ok cool.

And to correct myself it is two years but i believe pure darwin.

What is two years and you believe pure Darwin?You been into that lunatic lucen again mate???

OK, so here's what i'm going to do.I'll measure girth and length of femal and feed as much as possible in two months with everything recorded and written down,from food item size,sloughing,crapping,behaviour etc and will then check girth in one month and record measurements and weight,then the same again at the end of 2 months from last night.I'll then cool and put them together and see what happens.If i get viable eggs let alone any that hatch out and may turn out like the offspring pic i will owe this person one big apology.I will also give the male a few feeds to get a little condition on him but i think i'll use a couple of males that are hot and i know will do the job which if i rotate the three males with her and they mate and all goes well i'll be extremely surprised.

Here's a few more pics for size comparison.You can see how big the snake is next to the bowl in the very first pic i posted so compare that to my hand,then compare to thickness of finger and branch and then the jungle hanging from it you'll get a good idea on size.Also note the size of the rats i've already started to feed her which i s why she looks breedable in the last pic of her in a previous post.The jungle is a small 3.5 foot male which isn't short but a bit small overall for his age and he's very close to being as girthy as this female cross.

If these do breed they will be held onto and when or if sold if it actually happens i'll advertise them as full on hybrids of no real known species that are in the crosses between both the male and female.

 

[BROWNS]

Also if she breeds that will mean i have another jungle or 2 ready to breed this season going on size as they're much shorter as adults and are as thick as her and 3.5 foot and they max out at about 4 for the line i'm talking about,You beauty i was hanging to breed from one girl in particular