Scam...or not??

[Stevo]

RE: Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

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awesome to actually see in the flesh to be able to appreciate them as opposed to looking at a pic of one

Well you should send one down to me to look at, I promise i will mail it back :| :roll:

 

[BROWNS]

RE: Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

Yeah right,just like that albino dwarf mountain hooded gecko we found :wink:

 

[BROWNS]

RE: Ultimate Reptile Suppliers Pty Ltd

There were a few nice intergrades that we should've grabbed instead :wink: :lol:

 

[Stevo]

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Yeah right,just like that albino dwarf mountain hooded gecko we found :wink:

That was supposed to be a secret

 

[BROWNS]

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sorry mate just couldn't help but tell somebody,i found a really nice one again just the other day...You want to do a trade i think it's a female as it probes deep enough :lol:

 

[Stevo]

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we should sell them as a "proven" breeding pair :wink:

 

[BROWNS]

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Ah so yours turned out to be male huh,how did you find that out.They'd probably throw some really nice pure blondes :wink:

 

[Splitmore]

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I see you bought thise snakes from the same guy selling the double clutching darwins, not at all surprising you didn't get what you paid for!

 

[craig23]

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took me ages to read this thread... but icant see how you think those snakes are thin and out of condition.. sure they arnt fat.. but they are in no way unhealthy... and ive had a female carpet that was 4.5 ft and had a clutch of 13 eggs, she is now 5ft and has layed another clutch (not sure of the size as its not my snake anymore) she looked no thinner than the females you have. so thats a 5 ft snake having 2 clutches, and as far as im aware a 5ft carpet can be full grown depending on the amount of food it recieved in the first few growing years of its life. My point being a 5ft carpets age is anyones guess, it could be 7 years old and have had 4 clutches, so size means nothing...

 

[BROWNS]

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Yeah Splitmore,i actually dealt wih his missus who i questioned regarding double clutching.She said a few have done it and a couple have written papers.Afro double clutched his childrens.Russell Grant was one person she quoted who was asked the question and said he'd never heard of it.Roy Pails and someone else and am waiting to hear from Roy.I hate being bullshyted to and can usually see through it but this lady seemed completely sincere and also very offended with me telling her i wasn't happy but that's the way it is and i'm positive if anyone else got these or could see them now they'd be far from happy also.She says she has pics of egss but i wonder if it's with that female on them.A 5 foot female the thickness of a broom handle is not a female in breeding condition and if bred could possibly kil the snake...I think i'd prefer to get my $700 back and put it towards the expense of my new enclosures or look for some nice knob tail geckos rather than waste the food just to see if she'll lay but as i said i'll wait till i hear back from them.

It really sux and i'm glad this person's getting out of the hobby as he doesn't deserve to keep snakes going on the condition of these 2.The male which is longer by a foot or more is skinnier than her and 6 years old so that gives you some idea and they feed like maniacs...actually i had something happen feeding the female her seconfd feed i've never seen before.I tossed a good size rat in but not quite up to the standards of 1.3 kg, and the snake was more interested in me moving than the food but smelt food and wanted it bad so i put the hook in and dragged the rat back a touch under her nose and she actully bit the hokk and completely wrapped it up in a second and wanted to eat the hook,now that's after a massive feed the night before,definitely a good feeder is one thing the seller was right about :shock:

 

[dobermanmick]

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That looks like a very nice pair you got but they do look on the small side for the breeding success he says he has had !
Also the offspring looks like a nice darwin to me And I wouldnt mind having it on my ant farm oldfella

 

[fishead]

Howdy Browns, I feel for you mate. That deflation you feel in such a situation really sucks!!! It shouldn't happen with a fair deal and if it's all wrong in your guts then you should get a refund or you'll never be right with it all.
I've gotta say though mate that the photo of the supposed offspring would have rang some major alarm bells in my head. In my opinion the guy is full of it.

 

[bigguy]

Browns, there is no way on earth that you can breed a female Cape York to a Coastal and get a nice looking Darwin out of it. You were scammed biggtime. Get your money back. After this is the same bloke claiming he double clutches Darwins and Childrens every year should have alerted you to the fact he is full of it.

Regarding the Double clutching occurring in Vic as he quoted, well none of the names he quoted know anything about it.

He reminds me of a Victorian who was prosercuted about 20 years ago in Melbourne. Back in those days all Carpets were just Carpets. This fellow claimed he had bred his 2 Coastals Carpets 2 years previously and he had kept and raised all the young. They ranged from 2 ft long to 9 feet. Possible you might say if some were fed heaps, but the trouble was the Coastal offspring were Jungles, Darwins, Murray Darlings, Bredls, Goyders Lagoon M/D and so on. He tried to claim he had bred all these different species from Coastal. He was heavily fined of coarse after a few expert went against his breeding claims. Sounds familar, doesn't it.

 

[BROWNS]

Well that's good to hear as i can now tell them for fact they're full of it and yeah i should've realised this was wrong from the start.Both snakes are hybrids and the cape looking one is a supposed jungle x something ,both originally from Mentone Aquarium 6 years ago.I looked hard at the pattern and colour between the 2 and could see that it may be possible but i know in my head they're bullcrapping but have to wait till they come back from a weeks camoing which should be any day.I think in retrospect i shouldn't even have given them a feed and just put them back in their bags and box they came in and arrange for a refund instantly..

Thanks for the support people i just wanted some good opinions to see if i was over reacting or not.I've had hassles with reptiles with people before having them turn up to be nothing like what i was expecting and like a deal to go smoothly and you get what you pay for without any dramas but in this case i'm not wearing it andd they can have their crappy malnourished snakes back asap :evil: I'm still stoked that i got amyae though so all is good,i just won't be buying adult animals again off nanyone unless i know them well and ask more thorough questions if it's an animal i really want...Lesson learnt,don't be so trusting!!!

 

[spooky]

When things happen like that, you feel you are not getting the right animal, I like to keep them just knowing that they will go to a better home, where they are fed regularly and looked after properly!It will just be a matter of time to get them to breeding condition.
I feel for the animal.

 

[Matty]

both those adult snakes are nothing more then common coastal carpets, sure the female is a bit different looking but they are both 100% coastals, as for you seeing cape york in that so called offspring of theres, you obviuosly dont know as much as you lead people to believe. This fella
sold these two snakes for $700 to you, i noticed he was asking $150 for
freight on his web sight, why would anyone pay $850 dollars for a pair of
coastal carpets??

 

[The Rock]

scam...or not

think about it guys.a 6 year carpet that has produced 4 clutches.
i.dont think so.even tho coastals bred at about 4-4 and a half feet they
need to be 2 and a half years old to safely produce young.
do the sums; besides anyone who tries to breed there animals 4 years
in a row needs their head read. 2 years in a row then rest a year is the most stress anyone should put on their animals except of course diamonds
witch in my opinion should only be bred every second year.
if that animal is 6 and has produced 4 clutches it shuold be DEAD......

 

[beknluke]

RE: scam...or not

About the whole 'double clutching' thing, I am probably wrong, but my understanding of 'dounble' or even 'triple clucthing' is there is ONE mating session, the animals are separated, and yet the female has stored sperm and re-impregnantes herself not long after laying eggs.
This understanding has come from my lizard experience, so I could be wrong when it comes to pythons.
But, IMO, afros snakes did not 'double clutch' (lay 2 clutches from one bonking sesh), but merely was mated twice in one season....

 

[BROWNS]

RE: scam...or not

both those adult snakes are nothing more then common coastal carpets, sure the female is a bit different looking but they are both 100% coastals, as for you seeing cape york in that so called offspring of theres, you obviuosly dont know as much as you lead people to believe. This fella
sold these two snakes for $700 to you, i noticed he was asking $150 for
freight on his web sight, why would anyone pay $850 dollars for a pair of
coastal carpets??

are you trying to stir me up or waht?I said right from the start both animal were hybrids,one being diamond coastal and one jungle x something originally from Mentone Aquarium as i stated earlier.Pleas read the thread peoperly.I also payed $85 for freight which is eactly what it would cost to send to animals that size,so i paid $750 not for pure bloody coastals but 2 hybrids,is that clear enough for you :evil:

I also recorrected where i said had bred 4 times and said it was 4 year they'd had the animals and the supposed pic of the offspring is from the first of 2 or 3 clutches.Why do people not read the whole thread before adding an opinion :evil:

 

[NoOne]

Re: RE: scam...or not

About the whole 'double clutching' thing, I am probably wrong, but my understanding of 'dounble' or even 'triple clucthing' is there is ONE mating session, the animals are separated, and yet the female has stored sperm and re-impregnantes herself not long after laying eggs.
This understanding has come from my lizard experience, so I could be wrong when it comes to pythons.
But, IMO, afros snakes did not 'double clutch' (lay 2 clutches from one bonking sesh), but merely was mated twice in one season....

Double clutching in pythons doesn't happen, pythons mate ALOT during mating season and then will become gravid if the conditions are right.
Females do retain sperm from all those matings. Look at what pythons have to do to lay eggs and it's very clear that they can't double clutch.

Beardies on the other hand will breed at the drop of a hat, in fact i have to say you would be doing something very wrong not to breed them if you are keeping them together.