Show off your Co-dominant morphs

[rick]

Looking good thread in Aust snakes you might find some pics there mate
regards Rick

 

[Southside Morelia]

No probs...rick...Here's a couple of pairs of mine for this season...
1st pic Rogers RP Jungles, 2nd the controversial "hypo" jungle male as a hatchy, 3rd pic as he is now and 4th his partner this year an Axanthic female jungle which is definitely Axanthic and now looking gravid... hypo-axanthic bubs...lol not sure, what do you guys think???

 

[andyh]

thats one hot jag larks.... I want!!!

 

[byron_moses]

nice rpm larks

 

[Southside Morelia]

Here's one to get this thread back on the subject of co-dominate morph


Billy Ray Cryus makes a fashionably late entrance!

But Miley's cute....
Nice animal Wayne...

"No mate it is a hypo/orange pepper jag"
Love it!!! lol Similar to my "hypo" jungle...

 

[aspidito]

Here's one to get this thread back on the subject of co-dominate morphs.

Looking good Wayne, here's mine latched onto the female MDxJag, keeping fingers crossed for this outcome

 

[Southside Morelia]

My post was a piss take..with the second lot of pics, but i'm sure the jungles are co-dom morphs! Cant wait to see as the girl is about to pre-lay shed.....

 

[impulse reptiles]

Nice one aspidito its good to see an Rpm x Rpm mateing this season.

 

[larks]

Thats awesome Paul, hope all goes well for you mate.

 

[Southside Morelia]

Agreed, looking good with that pairing aspidito!
keep us all informed!

 

[Jay84]

Question..... are there any cases of neuro problems in our Australian Jags?

 

[ihaveherps]

Wonder if honesty and truth will survive .....

Jay seeing as internationally it is now widely accepted that they all have neuro conditions to some degree, and the undeniable origins of the trait here, you would have to assume that they do.

A wise man once said that the past is the best indicator for the future, or something along those lines.... my bet will be that the case will be the same here as it was in the past. At first when the issue was publically raised internationally, US forums for example, there was a great deal of resistance when a keeper finally broke the code of silence and brought the issue to the general publics attention. People who had invested in the morph on the majority, denied the initial claims as one off's and not consistant across the board, which from what I understand is a half truth, as now it is consensus that they all display a neuro tick, though the degree varies. Admittedly, the "tick" in most cases is barely noticable from all accounts, though of course there are the extreme examples as well. At its worst the animals corkscrew, and rock as if they dont posess complete motor function, though more often than not, it is only triggered when excited, stimulus such as food and/or handling, and from what I understand, the average display of the tick, the very minor cases, it can be barely noticable, unless of course you are looking for it.

Before the barrage of replies consisting of "but it could be because of their limited gene pool" and such, there are other documented cases of colour mutations effecting brain function. Unfortunately, I dont have a link to the reference material, nor can I be bothered to look for it, though the paper I am referring to was about the correlation of melanin in the brain and temperament, something I stumbled across while looking into why my Darwin seems to be on valium. Not as solid as a scientific paper, though Brian Barczyk has also noted a similar observation in one of his episodes of snakebytes tv.

All in all, the genetic design for every aspect of any living thing, every intricacy and idiosincracy, is contained in a relatively short code, DNA. For keepers, it is good fortune that the gene lends itself to what some consider aesthetically pleasing specimens. Unfortunately, this gift seems to come with a downside, and the allele the gene is on has bearing on motor function, however minor it may be.

 

[mojo73]

Possible co-dom trait in my bredli. The reduced pattern and partial dorsal striping is present in the mother and also the grandfather (who is owned by someone else) and gets passed on to about 25% of the offspring when mated to unrelated bredli lines. In a few years time I hope to mate this male holdback with the mother and to see what the outcome may be.

 

[Kenno]

mojo73,

I suggest you recheck your incubator temps,

looks nice though

cheers

 

[mojo73]

mojo73,

I suggest you recheck your incubator temps,

looks nice though

cheers

How would that explain the markings of both mother and grandfather?

 

[Jay84]

Wonder if honesty and truth will survive .....

Jay seeing as internationally it is now widely accepted that they all have neuro conditions to some degree, and the undeniable origins of the trait here, you would have to assume that they do.

A wise man once said that the past is the best indicator for the future, or something along those lines.... my bet will be that the case will be the same here as it was in the past. At first when the issue was publically raised internationally, US forums for example, there was a great deal of resistance when a keeper finally broke the code of silence and brought the issue to the general publics attention. People who had invested in the morph on the majority, denied the initial claims as one off's and not consistant across the board, which from what I understand is a half truth, as now it is consensus that they all display a neuro tick, though the degree varies. Admittedly, the "tick" in most cases is barely noticable from all accounts, though of course there are the extreme examples as well. At its worst the animals corkscrew, and rock as if they dont posess complete motor function, though more often than not, it is only triggered when excited, stimulus such as food and/or handling, and from what I understand, the average display of the tick, the very minor cases, it can be barely noticable, unless of course you are looking for it.

Before the barrage of replies consisting of "but it could be because of their limited gene pool" and such, there are other documented cases of colour mutations effecting brain function. Unfortunately, I dont have a link to the reference material, nor can I be bothered to look for it, though the paper I am referring to was about the correlation of melanin in the brain and temperament, something I stumbled across while looking into why my Darwin seems to be on valium. Not as solid as a scientific paper, though Brian Barczyk has also noted a similar observation in one of his episodes of snakebytes tv.

All in all, the genetic design for every aspect of any living thing, every intricacy and idiosincracy, is contained in a relatively short code, DNA. For keepers, it is good fortune that the gene lends itself to what some consider aesthetically pleasing specimens. Unfortunately, this gift seems to come with a downside, and the allele the gene is on has bearing on motor function, however minor it may be.

This is as i assumed. I was reading last week also that seemingly unaffected parents can produce babies with this tick.

Will this knowledge deter some people from keeping them? Will breeders cull hatchies with an obvious tick and just keep those that appear normal?

 

[ShaunMorelia]

So what if the SXR line is actually an original aussie morph completely different to the overseas jag?
Yeah it may look the same but on a different allele?

 

[byron_moses]

nice bredli mojo

 

[PimmsPythons]

How would that explain the markings of both mother and grandfather?

i know 3 bredli breeders that have proven that most of the striped bredli are from a recessive stripe gene and not co dominant as it is with most other carpet species.
cheers
simon

 

[Cheyne_Jones]

So what if the SXR line is actually an original aussie morph completely different to the overseas jag?
Yeah it may look the same but on a different allele?

You dont seriously believe that do you?