The war against rape
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Kenshin
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hrmm i think we shall agree to disagree.... maby you would like a change in scenery i hear iraq had no gun laws maby you would fit in there 
but seriously i dont think you can see my point of veiw unless you have been in afew situations where u realise you would be dead if guns had been availible and i have been in many like that hence why im dead set against it...... but looking at our government what your saying will never happen anyway so no point in argueing it
but seriously i dont think you can see my point of veiw unless you have been in afew situations where u realise you would be dead if guns had been availible and i have been in many like that hence why im dead set against it...... but looking at our government what your saying will never happen anyway so no point in argueing it
Been in plenty of situations where i couldve become one of Alexs statistics and let me tell you I certainly wouldnt have been the only one dead!
With or without guns, the right to unquestioned lethal force to self defence in the home should be in place today imo.
If some jerk breaks in with a knife i crack his nut with an iron bar, geuss who gets goal and who gets compo if he lives! Does that sound right to you?
Yep well agree to disagree!
With or without guns, the right to unquestioned lethal force to self defence in the home should be in place today imo.
If some jerk breaks in with a knife i crack his nut with an iron bar, geuss who gets goal and who gets compo if he lives! Does that sound right to you?
Yep well agree to disagree!
Kenshin
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instar said:Been in plenty of situations where i couldve become one of Alexs statistics and let me tell you I certainly wouldnt have been the only one dead!
With or without guns, the right to unquestioned lethal force to self defence in the home should be in place today imo.
If some jerk breaks in with a knife i crack his nut with an iron bar, geuss who gets goal and who gets compo if he lives! Does that sound right to you?
Yep well agree to disagree!
in this respect i totally agree with you..... its stupid that we cannot defend ourselves as my police record will attest to even when its clear the other partys are the aggressers and your outnumberd......... i fully agree that if sum1 breaks into my house armed i should be able to put him out forever but i do not agree with gun happyness that you were talking about... you do not need a gun to defend yourself
Right, I dont need a gun.........I dont need a gun...Theres no place l;ike home...If I borrow Sherms red shoes and tap my heels together three times, the nasty ol phsyco will dissappear!
Were not all 6'4 brick outhouses Kenshin, If im going to 'put him out forever' Ill be needing a gun! Especially if he has one!
Shoot first, questions later, if the victorian cops can, so can I !
Were not all 6'4 brick outhouses Kenshin, If im going to 'put him out forever' Ill be needing a gun! Especially if he has one!
Shoot first, questions later, if the victorian cops can, so can I !
Kenshin
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instar said:Right, I dont need a gun.........I dont need a gun...Theres no place l;ike home...If I borrow Sherms red shoes and tap my heels together three times, the nasty ol phsyco will dissappear!
Were not all 6'4 brick outhouses Kenshin, If im going to 'put him out forever' Ill be needing a gun! Especially if he has one!
Shoot first, questions later, if the victorian cops can, so can I !
lol i love the comment about the victorian police.... how did u know i was 6'4" ?
Kenshin
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lol haha true thats funny cuzz i am exactly 6'4" tall lol and the 4-5 years of kenpo and brazillian jujitsu behind me helps lol
thats funny cuzz i am exactly 6'4" tall lol and the 4-5 years of kenpo and brazillian jujitsu behind me helps lolWell no wonder you dont feel the need for a gun! But im 5'2 , bout 110 with years of 'couch karate' behind me and I'd feel alot better with a 38 in front of me LOL! :lol: Unless you moonlight as a bodyguard.........
Kenshin
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instar said:
lol whats your hourly rate offer :wink:
Instar, i dont think yo usee where i am coming from. If some guy broke into your house and you clubbed him or shot him in the leg or something like that i would not think any lesser of you.
What i am saying is that if guns were made so that they are easily accessable then you would have a greater chance of finding yourself in that situation in the first place. Prevention is better than cure. If you can prevent the crime in the first place then there is no need for you to carry around a gun to give yourself security.
Of course there will still be gun crime but there would be much less. Your coming across as saying, "well if you can't stop it all, why bother stopping just a bit" "lets all get guns and turn into America, lets put metal dectectors at all the entrances and ban people from waering baggy clothes"
Sounds like a good society.......not!
Cheers Alex
What i am saying is that if guns were made so that they are easily accessable then you would have a greater chance of finding yourself in that situation in the first place. Prevention is better than cure. If you can prevent the crime in the first place then there is no need for you to carry around a gun to give yourself security.
Of course there will still be gun crime but there would be much less. Your coming across as saying, "well if you can't stop it all, why bother stopping just a bit" "lets all get guns and turn into America, lets put metal dectectors at all the entrances and ban people from waering baggy clothes"
Sounds like a good society.......not!
Cheers Alex
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Kenshin said:
A case of VB tinnies and a pack of winnie reds????
Beer to be consumed AFTER and not before or during the shift!!!
Kenshin
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lol i consume alcho while at my current job lol beuty of workin in bars
lol beuty of workin in bars
beknluke
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That lil penis muncher MIGHT work for some women (or for those out there who are willing to be not only in the mindset of thinking that they're at risk of being raped, but who are willing to constanly be wearing a tampon type contraption!!) but what about KIDS who get raped? I can't imagine anyone handing one of those to their lil ones see 'here you go sweetums, just pop that in there and then you'll be safe'!! PLEASE!!
That AND the fact that the sicko has to penetrate in the first place for it to be effective. In other words - the victim STILL WILL BE a victim. They would have been raped to some extent.
Sorry if I am covering anyone elses points - I haven't read this whole thread
On top of that - that article talks about 'changing the way that some men think of women'. Whilst that definately covers some of those disgusting 'creatures' out there, what about the ones who are purely sick in the mind?? And again, what about the kids?
From the articles etc that I have ever read on the subject, those men, AND WOMEN, who rape children, don't do it b/c they think that they're lil brats who should be dead, they do it coz they 'love them so much' and are PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to them and their innocence... Poor lil guys.
Any-who, thats my 2 cents
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That AND the fact that the sicko has to penetrate in the first place for it to be effective. In other words - the victim STILL WILL BE a victim. They would have been raped to some extent.
Sorry if I am covering anyone elses points - I haven't read this whole thread
On top of that - that article talks about 'changing the way that some men think of women'. Whilst that definately covers some of those disgusting 'creatures' out there, what about the ones who are purely sick in the mind?? And again, what about the kids?
From the articles etc that I have ever read on the subject, those men, AND WOMEN, who rape children, don't do it b/c they think that they're lil brats who should be dead, they do it coz they 'love them so much' and are PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to them and their innocence... Poor lil guys.
Any-who, thats my 2 cents
B
Well some interesting reading here!
Heres my perspective from a legal view I guess, I finished criminal law last year, and spoke to several solicitors and lawyers, this was the time of the whole bulldogs rape case, which I certainly won't be going in to!
Bascially the reason so many of these scum of the earth bastards get off is due to the fact that the victim won't go to trial, they can't face there attackers again, and to be convicted this is required (at the moment).
Secondly, prosecutors will only go to trial if they are 100% certain they will put the mongrels away, if not there is no point of putting a victim through the whole process only for the attacker to walk away scot free. This is basically what happened in the dogs case, they knew it happened but also knew that they didn't have the 'proof' or witnesses or enough evidence to successfully convict.
Inny, obviously this is something close to you and if I was in a situation were this happened to any member of my family I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the scum in the head, but that doent mean I agree on legalisation of guns. We are close enough to america in crime rates to need thigns to escilate even furthur, how many stories do you here about children finding there parents guns, and accidentaly blowing a friend away..
Its not the answer, I dont know what is, what is certain is reform is much needed in the courts where victims can give evidence outside of court, and we will see a large turnaround in successfully putting the disgusting animals in prison for good.
Heres my perspective from a legal view I guess, I finished criminal law last year, and spoke to several solicitors and lawyers, this was the time of the whole bulldogs rape case, which I certainly won't be going in to!
Bascially the reason so many of these scum of the earth bastards get off is due to the fact that the victim won't go to trial, they can't face there attackers again, and to be convicted this is required (at the moment).
Secondly, prosecutors will only go to trial if they are 100% certain they will put the mongrels away, if not there is no point of putting a victim through the whole process only for the attacker to walk away scot free. This is basically what happened in the dogs case, they knew it happened but also knew that they didn't have the 'proof' or witnesses or enough evidence to successfully convict.
Inny, obviously this is something close to you and if I was in a situation were this happened to any member of my family I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the scum in the head, but that doent mean I agree on legalisation of guns. We are close enough to america in crime rates to need thigns to escilate even furthur, how many stories do you here about children finding there parents guns, and accidentaly blowing a friend away..
Its not the answer, I dont know what is, what is certain is reform is much needed in the courts where victims can give evidence outside of court, and we will see a large turnaround in successfully putting the disgusting animals in prison for good.
moosenoose
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pugsly said:
pugsly said:
Now the question on everyones lips :lol: Can you get away with it?? hehehe
Ok moosie what have you done.. lol
As to getting away with it weeelllll.. Look it all comes down to 'reasonable' force, everything in law is 'reasonable' or the 'reasonable person', if you found out a family member was raped and found out by who and went and shot them in the head, GUILTY.
If you saw someone being raped or attacked, went to help and shot the attacker.. well then it becomes all about 'intent' if you can prove it was all self defence (unlikely) your off, but most probably not..
Lets face it unless we ourselves were being attacked and pulled a gun out, then we would all be goin to jail, yeah i know it sux but thats the way this legal system goes!
As to getting away with it weeelllll.. Look it all comes down to 'reasonable' force, everything in law is 'reasonable' or the 'reasonable person', if you found out a family member was raped and found out by who and went and shot them in the head, GUILTY.
If you saw someone being raped or attacked, went to help and shot the attacker.. well then it becomes all about 'intent' if you can prove it was all self defence (unlikely) your off, but most probably not..
Lets face it unless we ourselves were being attacked and pulled a gun out, then we would all be goin to jail, yeah i know it sux but thats the way this legal system goes!
moosenoose
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pugsly said:
Surely I don't come across that gung-hoe do I? lol
pugsly said:
I did pull out a fist once (admittedly I had it on me :wink: ) and broke some swines snouzer who was attepting to rape some poor chick at a party once....does that count? hehehehe I'm sure she was yelling for all the wrong reasons! :evil:
beknluke
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pugsly said:
When I was a kid, I was able to give evidence in a small room with a vid camera and a television. The laywers asking the Qs were shown on the TV and I spoke into the camera. I got to have one other person in the room with me (of my choosing) but it was not allowed to be my mother or sister.
As much as it's hard repeating what happened - I was thankful that I couldn't see my father.
And don't get me wrong, my husband (oh that sounds strange!! lol), my step dad and my mates (notice that they're all males?? the women don't get this way) all would love nothing more than to torture my father for what he did to our family. They think that a gun would be too quick. But hey - for me? What's done is done, I think I have turned out ok, and on the good side, I wouldn't be able to pick my dad in a crowd. Thankfully for me, my brains own sense of self preservation kicked in and I can't remember a thing.
I feel sorry for the victims PARTNERS though - even for the partners who come along many years after the fact. Luke can tell you - he's still paying for what my dad did. Not in a nasty way or anything, just in a.... well, I am sure you can guess what way.
I AM terrified of the whole 'statistics show that if you have been through child abuse, you are more than likely going to commit it', but I will kill myself before I ever hurt a child
And also for the victims, that whole statute of limitations thing isn't very fair either. Especially for the kids. You have no idea how long it takes for your abusers words of 'if you tell ANYONE, I'll kill your mum' etc etc. to finally be forgotton. It can be a LONG time before they talk
I can totally understand where you are coming from bek, I have been in a very similar situation with a partner, and I know exactly what Luke gets to deal with, its not your fault though, and im sure he more than understands.
As for the room, for children it works ok, but for rape victims over 18 then unfortunately they don't always have the luxury..
Moosie a fist was a good idea mate, or a couple at that!
As for the room, for children it works ok, but for rape victims over 18 then unfortunately they don't always have the luxury..
Moosie a fist was a good idea mate, or a couple at that!
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