This is probably a good place to ask this question.

[Australis]

 

[Shaggz]

I am not debating who has it worse I was meaning we could be doing a lot more towards humanitarian assistance. The amount people complain about it is ridiculous, they are scarred people fleeing their country to stay alive. We have it great in Australia I can understand why they want to come to a country free from war.

When they deliberately destroy any form of identification they have and sneak in the back door illegally they are parasites. We could be using the money that is spent feeding these parasites on our own homeless and downtrodden. It's about time Australia starts looking after it's own first and then look at helping those assylum seekers that chose to work within legal chanels. It is this attitude of letting people get away with breaking international law because we feel sorry for them that encourages scumbag people smugglers to keep bringing them here.

 

[jahan]

The first lot were crims too.

 

[Australis]

all in all Indonesians coming to australia on a boat to work is a little bit different than Aussies going to england in a plane with the proper visas to work there so your comparison was a little off

Do you honestly believe people (bringing their children also!!) are paying to go on a death trap of a boat to only be locked up for months if not years in a detention centre doesn't add up to much a of working in Australia swindle.

It is this attitude of letting people get away with breaking international law because we feel sorry for them that encourages scumbag people smugglers to keep bringing them here.

What international law are these people breaking ?

 

[thomasssss]

some of these "death traps of a boat " are perfectly sea worthy until moments before the navy officers board , then they smash holes in the hull to stop the navy officers escorting them back into their waters , if they trash the boat we have to help them , australis i did say that some where genuinely escaping a country of war , i know that , what im saying is this isnt the case for all of them

 

[Australis]

OK.
Boats full of Indonesians as you say (Afghanistan is part of Indonesia i suppose) are coming to Australia to que jump via a few years imprisoned in detention centres... you got me i concede its brilliant... and it sounds so ridiculous, its the perfect con. Amazing that only a minority come by boat... the 95% flying in... such fools.

 

[Ramsayi]

OK.
Boats full of Indonesians as you say (Afghanistan is part of Indonesia i suppose) are coming to Australia to que jump via a few years imprisoned in detention centres... you got me i concede its brilliant... and it sounds so ridiculous, its the perfect con. Amazing that only a minority come by boat... the 95% flying in... such fools.

Indeed.The amount of people coming in via leaky boats is nothing compared to illegals arriving via planes.The amount of press about boat people is nothing but a giant con job in comparison,yet the majority of the general public have no idea .

 

[borntobnude]

The first lot were crims too.

nothing wrong with that ,, surname ---CROOKS and proud of it for lots of reasons

 

[cement]

One of my best mates lives here but works fly in fly out to darwin and is Coast Guard. The boats aren't scuttled by the people they bring, they are scuttled by the navy and the coast guard. I have seen his phone videos of some of his best work (floating bonfires).

Remember the sydney Olympics? The Seirra Leonne boxers that went awol? I know what their story was and where they were hiding. In fact I trained a couple of them while they were staying low. You couldn't even start to understand what they were getting away from.
We are all boat people, or descendants of, unless you are koori, and even some of my koori mates have boat people blood in them now too.
The only thing I dislike is when they bring what they are getting away from with them. If they can't leave their home country problems at the gate then shoot them.

 

[Chanzey]

Couldn't care less if a refugee comes to Australia, hey why wouldn't you if you had the chance? It's a great country.

As long as when you get here, (even though I know they are instantly marginalised) you don't try and force your culture on Australia and change how the country is run, make a go of it, get a job, study, whatever don't just cause problems, if someone can do that, welcome.

 

[miss_mosher]

I love my country an I'm all for multiculturalism, BUT, I absolutely hate how some illegal immigrants destroy the property that they're staying in, and how their payments are so much more than the people who have fought here, worked here, and are now too sick, poor or old to look after themselves. I personally think Australia has enough issues regarding homelessness and aged care to put our money elsewhere right now.

Couldn't care less if a refugee comes to Australia, hey why wouldn't you if you had the chance? It's a great country.

As long as when you get here, (even though I know they are instantly marginalised) you don't try and force your culture on Australia and change how the country is run, make a go of it, get a job, study, whatever don't just cause problems, if someone can do that, welcome.

Couldn't have put it better

 

[Ramsayi]

and how their payments are so much more than the people who have fought here, worked here, and are now too sick, poor or old to look after themselves.

How much more do they get?

 

[rvcasa]

...the majority of the general public have no idea .

+1
I used to visit Villawood detention centre as a volunteer...
Although not everyone was a refugee, some were Brits who simply overstay visas, others were students who worked a bit over the 20hours per week allowed and were dobbed in.

I was only working w/ refugees.
But after 28 weeks/visits, I had to quit as I could not believe the conditions those detainees were living...
(and their stories.)

Some said, they had been in Australian prisons and would prefer to go back as Villawood was 5 times worst!

There were many moms w/ young kids (some in their womb), all separated from their husbands and fathers.
There was this young Spanish girl whom the Aussie boyfriend dumped her after she got pregnant. She lost the right to be in country and therefore became an illegal after they split up due to sponsor visa as they were living defacto...

Anyway, most Aussies have no idea and think its so easy for refugees just to "jump in a boat" to jump queue. Well they still have to spend approx 2 years in a detention centre to be processed and pay $95 a day to the Commonwealth of Australia for their detention...

I just think they must be so, so desperate to play Russian roulette, spend their life savings and put their lives (and their children's) at risk. - They may survive the boat trip over, but they would be dead if they stay back home.


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[Wally]

I love my country an I'm all for multiculturalism, BUT, I absolutely hate how some illegal immigrants destroy the property that they're staying in, and how their payments are so much more than the people who have fought here, worked here, and are now too sick, poor or old to look after themselves. I personally think Australia has enough issues regarding homelessness and aged care to put our money elsewhere right now.

I'd put that one up there with "some of my best friends are gay, but....".

 

[rvcasa]

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[miss_mosher]

I'd put that one up there with "some of my best friends are gay, but....".

Well some of them are

How much more do they get?

I have the exact figures on my laptop. It's the hardship payments that are the killers. In comparison the pensioners, it's nuts, I think almost three times the amount from memory? that's with partners. I remember though the in a pensioner couple, the second person gets $50 per week.

 

[rvcasa]

How much more do they get?

It's not true!

I volunteer w/ St Vinnies at moment, helping some refugee familles in the community. They work their way out, paying rent etc.
However some families are large and may need support as the father (in most Eastern cultures is the bread winner) is not in the country.


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[miss_mosher]

It's not true!

I volunteer w/ St Vinnies at moment, helping some refugee familles in the community. They work their way out, paying rent etc.
However some families are large and may need support as the father (in most Eastern cultures is the bread winner) is not in the country.


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Oh ok, my information was given to me from my auntie who works in a woman's refuge for Sundanese ladies. Its the centre link figures for couples. So it didn't include families. It's a few months old so probably would have been updated by July

 

[wokka]

If its alright to fly in, fly out 1000s of workers to mine the country quicker, why not offer the jobs to refugees?

 

[rvcasa]

If its alright to fly in, fly out 1000s of workers to mine the country quicker, why not offer the jobs to refugees?

+1
Prob. cause their treated as third class!


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...As long as when you get here... don't try and force your culture on Australia...

I think that's a misconception/misunderstanding!

At a recent workshop at St Vinnies, it was mentioned Aussies are afraid of what they don't understand...

No one is forcing any culture on anyone. How could they?

However that's what the "white people" did when they got here...
So that was that ok, was it?



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