yes aggression is genetic to a point. but in saying that pitbulls have not been used in the ring for multiple generations and responsible breeders have been breeding the DOG aggression out of them for just as long. The problem is not the breeds, it is the owners that have no idea how to handle their dogs. ie the bogan that play fights with his dog that has not obedience training what so ever (just because you can yell at your dog to go lay down and it runs off or it sits after you tell it to 3 or 4 times doesn't mean its trained). I have 2 German Shepherds that are professionally trained attack dogs and we have had the same if not more training then the dogs. If my wife and I were irresponsible owners the dogs would be very dangerous. I don't think that pitbulls should be banned because I think they pose the same risk as any large dog. I do believe all dog owners should have to do a handling course as well as temperament tests on the dog to register/own any breed.
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Totally unfair...
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wylie88
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It is unfair. I also beleive that there should be a licensing system in place for owners. I also think its up to the owners to anticipate certain potential problems and make a concious effort to reduce the risk of an incidence occuring, for example; Huskies have a tendency to escape so as a result most breeders will only sell puppies to people with decent fencing, Herding dogs such as border collies , cattle dogs and shepherds are very high drive dogs and owners should make a concious effort to either give the dog a "job " or plenty of exercise or they run the risk of destructive behaviours. I own a mastiff which is a guardian breed and is bred to guard and males have a tendency to be very stubborn and also toward dog aggression, as a result my dog was well socialized at a young age (which should happen with any dog regardless of breed) I also trained my dog to be very obedient. As a result my dog looks to me in any situation before he acts. He is great with kids and with visitors that I introduce to him but because he is a guardian he will not let anyone in our yard without me and he is very protective of our family and although he is friendly to most people he doesnt hesitate to "tell off" anyone acting suss. Because I am aware of the potential for a possible accident should he read a situation wrong I make a concious effort to supervise him around other people especially kids and when he leaves the yard he is properly restrained at all times to prevent any accidents. I think if everyone did the same there would be no need for bsl.
Sorry for rambling and any grammatical error's, I didn't get much sleep last night.
Sorry for rambling and any grammatical error's, I didn't get much sleep last night.
jakedasnake
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fair
Albino93
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Definatly unfair.
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Trimeresurus
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Clearly such an aggressive breed
I don't have an opinion on this matter itself as I'm not into dogs whatsoever, but a picture of a dog looking happy proves no more than a picture of a dog snarling in a newspaper...
Sean51
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I was just thinking that all the people that are saying fair have obviously never seen that they can be a truly loyal loving dog which to have the ability to be happy and aren't all what the newspapers show...
Merkinball
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BSL has absolutely no statistics to support it. Media coverage of dog attacks are always led with the headline of Pit Bull or Pit Bull Cross, i have never seen a follow up to any of these stories proving it was a pit bull. Anyone who has really delved into the breed can find that this breed WAS, yes, bred to be dog aggressive, but at the same time bred to be non aggressive to humans, so if the heridatry line stands true then there should be no attacks on humans, the only other factor is the humans themselves. So who is to blame? The backyard breeders! I own an Amstaff who has been around children and a stable family her whole life, never has she shown aggression. However my child was bitten by another family members Cattle Dog. Cattle dogs are known to be one of the breeds highest in number of attackes per year, where are the news crews then? And people are correct, as soon as this blows over or the breed is obliterated in Australia, the next target will be the bull arab/ great dane/mastiff crosses that i see every week advertised as great guard / hunting dogs. Maybe some of the humans need to be sent the same way as the dogs.
nonamesleft
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Had to be one.
nintendont
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then i guess you have no sympathy for the poor blind guy whose guide dog was attacked by two pit bulls which ultimately led to its death: because that's what these "snuggle-pillows" were bred for right?
nintendont
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Im sure there is more than one buddy. how else would this legislation be passed, einstein?
The general public's view of pitbulls is that they are all evil, aggressive and will turn and kill you so they should be banned.
The general public's view of snakes is that they are all evil, poisonous (not venomous) and will even chase you up a tree to kill you so a good snake is a dead snake.
The general public is not always correct
The general public's view of snakes is that they are all evil, poisonous (not venomous) and will even chase you up a tree to kill you so a good snake is a dead snake.
The general public is not always correct
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There are pit bulls, etc who are agressive and dangerous but there are also bullies who are lovely, calm and docile animals. Just because the breed has a reputation of being agressive doesn't mean that certain individuals or litters can be calm, happy, docile and friendly dogs. I think these stereotypes ar just stupid. Any dog has the potential of being dangerous, there is no reason to have to single out certain breeds just because of their build.
If people would actually look into the history of dogs, they will find that the origional reason they were owned was for hunting and killing, not to be walked down streets and lick strangers.
All dogs are dangerous and all are un predictable. This is just an unfair law singling out the largest and most rugged looking breeds.
If people would actually look into the history of dogs, they will find that the origional reason they were owned was for hunting and killing, not to be walked down streets and lick strangers.
All dogs are dangerous and all are un predictable. This is just an unfair law singling out the largest and most rugged looking breeds.
orsm
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As they say, there're always 2 sides to a story. Here's the other side..
https://www.facebook.com/PitbullBan
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Pitbull terriers and all other dogs on such a ridiculous breed specific legislation ban should be like keeping an elapid snake. You have to have a licence to do so and the penalties for not complying to the terms is enforced. It's simple really. I have a 3 yr old pit bull x Mastiff and I have the proper fully enclosed cage along with a 6 ft fence that is 1 ft bellow the ground and 6 ft above, and due to the fact I spent ALOT of time and money to make sure I abided by the council regulations I have never had a single issue. It's simple people.
disintegratus
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Not so much "other side of the story" as "misinformed breed/dog bashing"...
Merkinball
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nintendont I don't believe anywhere in my post did i say that i had no sympathy, for animals or humans that have been attacked or killed by any breed of dog. My point is that they have never been bred to be aggressive towards humans, therefore the issue lies with the responsibility of the owners. Why were the dogs able to attack? Is this not a similar situation to the Burmese python in the US that killed a child. Should we ban all snakes as they are just as likely to cause harm to humans and other animals. I would rather take the chance of a well socialised and raised pit bull than a cowboy with elapids and terrible husbandry and enclosure security.
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