A. perthensis and albino A. maculosa price speculation.

[-Matt-]

That Mac belongs to Snake Ranch...I believe they are the only ones that have them??

Im gunna have to start saving my pennies...I definatly need to have a pair

 

[ivonavich]

I also think that, given they're (macs) willingness to reproduce, Albino Macs will be quite affordable in 5 or so years

 

[wizz]

Mmmm that alb mac is spectacular! wizz is that yours?

no it is not......it is SR,s they got it from townsville it got caught by a snake catcher up there....

 

[girdheinz]

no it is not......it is SR,s they got it from townsville it got caught by a snake catcher up there....

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird

 

[bubbaloush]

Beatiful i want a pair after the price drops in a few years of course

 

[lovey]

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird

Ahhh the good old spinal kink. Sounds like a genetically sound animal to breed with.

 

[Mr.James]

anyone else selling perthensis? & at what price? (can pm me if u have)

 

[scorps]

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird

Uhm no its not?

Yeah they did source some from sydney but that doesnt mean that they where the only alb macs around, a few have been found in townsville.

 

[gillsy]

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird

While the petlink thing may be correct, it was breed by a friend of my mothers.

I know exactly where it is from.

And whie there was money that exchanged hands for it there was other items that were swapped.

Please don't say something that you have no idea of the background.

And as for the QLD ones, as far as I'm aware they were released back into the wild because of QLD's laws in breeding hybrids and mutants they weren't allowed to be bred from.

 

[gillsy]

Ahhh the good old spinal kink. Sounds like a genetically sound animal to breed with.

From what I know happened, the eggs weren't pipped so could of got the kink from pushing out of the egg.

 

[pythons73]

I cant imagine anyone in Queensland having a albino Mac,that will released it back in wild,maybe sold to someone.

 

[gillsy]

I cant imagine anyone in Queensland having a albino Mac,that will released it back in wild,maybe sold to someone.

If an average Joe found it, they would of reported it to DECC, they wouldnt' have had any idea what is was or the value.

 

[wizz]

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird[/QUOTE

i think you should do some research before you tell me that im incorrect SR are not the only ones with them there have been two found in townsville and there are more people in nsw with them in privae collections.

 

[abbott75]

SR are not the only ones with them there have been two found in townsville and there are more people in nsw with them in privae collections.

How long have they been in private collections for? Surely someone with them would release them for sale before SR does and the price plummets!

 

[gillsy]

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird[/QUOTE

i think you should do some research before you tell me that im incorrect SR are not the only ones with them there have been two found in townsville and there are more people in nsw with them in privae collections.

I think you need to research it i know about the QLD albinos but the one SR started with originated from a keeper in lurnea sydne. and there are a few people here know that. So don't say I need to do research when i have sen photos of the clutch.

two died one survived..

Also at what point have i said they were the only ones in captivity, ps both parents were normal colouration did not come from albino parents

 

[gillsy]

And I personally don't think there are any in private collections legally anyway, or else someone be breeding them already.

 

[girdheinz]

That is incorrect,

As Gillsy stated earlier

"They originated from SW Sydney, from a fluke breeding by a inexperience herper.

That was his first breeding of any snake."

It was advertised on PetLink and Snake Ranch paid 8K for it.

It also had a spinal kink which seemed to dissapear with age.

Gird[/QUOTE

i think you should do some research before you tell me that im incorrect SR are not the only ones with them there have been two found in townsville and there are more people in nsw with them in privae collections.

I will tell you again wizzmeister. You are incorrect. It appears that you are another wanabee. My research is always accurate.

Firstly the picture you put up here in this post http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/1462265-post16 is from snakeranch website here http://www.snakeranchnews.com.au/pages/news.cfm?naction=news8 .

Then you go on to say in this post here http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/1462395-post23 that the one snake ranch has was obtained from a wild caught animal in townsville (which again is incorrect).

I also suggest you get yourself a copy of Reptiles Australia Vol 3 Issue 4 (containing the albino special), and have a read through page 30 written by John Weigel the owner of the snake who's photograph you pinched without acknowledgement.

"At least two albino spotted pythons - or "white macs" have been found in the vicinity of Townsville, Queensland. Two have been donated to state government owned wildlife centre in the past, and the popular view is that one is still held there. Owing to legislation that forbids the intentional breeding of abnormally-coloured native animals, these albinos -both males, were reportedly never paired with other snakes. Sounds like a tragic end to a dream project.

Recently, however, another albino spotted python has surfaced - this time two thousand kilometres to the south arising from a captive breeding effort by a novice keeper in Sydney. Within a single clutch, three albinos and at least 5 normally pigmented individuals developed. The incubation conditions were highly erratic - both in terms of temperature and moisture, perhaps accounting for the death of two of the three albinos prior to hatching. The sole-surviving albino, along with two siblings were aquired by Snake Ranch after being offered for sale on the internet.

Upon hatching, the albino hatchling had an obvious 'kink' two thirds of the way along it's spine, but this suprisingly and thankfully all but dissapeared within weeks. There are a range of popular theories about the origins of the founder heterozygotes that produced the albino, with more than one breeder expressing confidence that the abberant gene originated from their own colony. But of course there is also the possibility that the trait is not inheritable at all - that the problematic incubation of the albino-producing clutch may in itself account for the inability to produce melanin. That sort of intrigue is all part-and-parcel of Australian albino stories, and no doubt adds to the excitement and challenge experienced by breeders. In the case of the albino mac project, these sorts of questions can best be answered in time. (John Weigel 2007)


As for the other albinos in collections. We are all aware of the stories out there but until i see pictures (like JW has provided us with) i remain a sceptic. I have heard anecdotal reports that related animals to the parents of this albino, produced another albino (which died) last season, however i deem these reports as hearsay until i see pictures.

I too like Gillsy have seen the pictures of the clutch where this albino eventuated from (have you?)

Any more research would you like Wizzmeister?

Gird

 

[gillsy]

I will tell you again wizzmeister. You are incorrect. It appears that you are another wanabee. My research is always accurate.

Firstly the picture you put up here in this post http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/1462265-post16 is from snakeranch website here http://www.snakeranchnews.com.au/pages/news.cfm?naction=news8 .

Then you go on to say in this post here http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/1462395-post23 that the one snake ranch has was obtained from a wild caught animal in townsville (which again is incorrect).

I also suggest you get yourself a copy of Reptiles Australia Vol 3 Issue 4 (containing the albino special), and have a read through page 30 written by John Weigel the owner of the snake who's photograph you pinched without acknowledgement.

"At least two albino spotted pythons - or "white macs" have been found in the vicinity of Townsville, Queensland. Two have been donated to state government owned wildlife centre in the past, and the popular view is that one is still held there. Owing to legislation that forbids the intentional breeding of abnormally-coloured native animals, these albinos -both males, were reportedly never paired with other snakes. Sounds like a tragic end to a dream project.

Recently, however, another albino spotted python has surfaced - this time two thousand kilometres to the south arising from a captive breeding effort by a novice keeper in Sydney. Within a single clutch, three albinos and at least 5 normally pigmented individuals developed. The incubation conditions were highly erratic - both in terms of temperature and moisture, perhaps accounting for the death of two of the three albinos prior to hatching. The sole-surviving albino, along with two siblings were aquired by Snake Ranch after being offered for sale on the internet.

Upon hatching, the albino hatchling had an obvious 'kink' two thirds of the way along it's spine, but this suprisingly and thankfully all but dissapeared within weeks. There are a range of popular theories about the origins of the founder heterozygotes that produced the albino, with more than one breeder expressing confidence that the abberant gene originated from their own colony. But of course there is also the possibility that the trait is not inheritable at all - that the problematic incubation of the albino-producing clutch may in itself account for the inability to produce melanin. That sort of intrigue is all part-and-parcel of Australian albino stories, and no doubt adds to the excitement and challenge experienced by breeders. In the case of the albino mac project, these sorts of questions can best be answered in time. (John Weigel 2007)


As for the other albinos in collections. We are all aware of the stories out there but until i see pictures (like JW has provided us with) i remain a sceptic. I have heard anecdotal reports that related animals to the parents of this albino, produced another albino (which died) last season, however i deem these reports as hearsay until i see pictures.

I too like Gillsy have seen the pictures of the clutch where this albino eventuated from (have you?)

Any more research would you like Wizzmeister?

Gird

Thanks for the backup Gird, yeah I have been in the room where they were hatched.

This about two years ago, shortly after joining APS so around my join date is when I saw them.

They were bred by a guy with a name starting with T, I don't want to go into much more details that that publically.

As I said it was from my mum's next door neighbour, and I don't know about what $ what swapped but I know of at least two species of pythons that pairs were exchanged. I'm sure there were more but can I only for sure say of two species.

D

 

[gillsy]

Sorry I will clarify, when I saw the pics not the live animals.

 

[gillsy]

Problem is Wizz, we have nothing to prove