Beardie egg question

[hypertension]

Let me clarify a few things.

When they were laid they were a pinkish white, then turned white and then formed these shadows.

No problem in hijacking the thread Kyro if we all learn from this thread then we all gain knowledge to help others in the future.

I have some photos of them when they were laid at home so happy to post them if needed for anything later tonight.

She laid her second clutch 1 week ago and all look pinkish white again 16 were laid and two went yellow within 3 days and had a really bad ordour (they were removed) similar with her first clutch 2 went yellow and smelt really bad.

Happy to answer more questions, or to keep the thread going with end results so everyone cain gain so knowledge.

 

[Helikaon]

its normal, did you find the eggs increased in size almost by 100%

 

[hypertension]

Yes Heli they have virtually doubled in size

However when candled the embryo at the bottom seems quite small from what I would expect.

(I know you should not move them but when they look like this you cant help but check whats going on)

 

[cruester]

They are windows due to low calcium when being developed in the female.All eggs that are dead will go of within 2-3 days.They all look ok and should hatch out as normal.As for the female having plenty of calcium,you cannot tell from outward appearences because it's internal so to speak.Make sure you dust all her feed with calcium powder and get some pinkies into her.The remarks about putting them in the sun for an hour a day is a waste of time and an old wifes tale.The only benefit they get out of this is a chance to walk outside and get fresh air.If anything you should double the amount of food offered when they are gravid and feed only high quality foods with plenty of vegies.Reptiles don't draw calcium from the egg shell.The windows are the perfect example of this because they are on the eggs when they are laid and if calcium was drawn out of the egg you would have split eggs everywhere and all would be dead within days of laying.The windows are a female problem and usually have little to no effect on the embryo growing inside it.It doesn't mean the hatchlings are calcium deficient when born. They are as normal as any other born in a good egg.Hope this helps a little.

 

[Helikaon]

lol when did natural sunlight become a wives tail.


which is a let down because other then that one statement your post was correct and informative,, just a bit of constructive criticism

 

[hypertension]

Is it possible to give her to much calcium?
I was dusting every 5 days and I can not count how many roaches she eats everyday but she has wiped out one of my smaller colonies of roaches, I have restocked it with another 3000 and they are virtually for her.

I am staying away from the sunlight comment because there are so many opinions on this.

 

[Helikaon]

Is it possible to give her to much calcium?
I was dusting every 5 days and I can not count how many roaches she eats everyday but she has wiped out one of my smaller colonies of roaches, I have restocked it with another 3000 and they are virtually for her.

I am staying away from the sunlight comment because there are so many opinions on this.

ok i'll make this simple, if you feed not enough calcium you will have problems if you feed to much calcium you will have problems, this is due to the calcium phosphate ratio, remember im keepign it simple. but overly no matter how much calium you feed it wont be absorbed unless there is vitamin d3, this is attained by either supplementing or by sunlight, UVB. is some nocturnal reptiles they are very good at absorbing vitamin d3 from their digestive tract. in others there is only effective absorption from UVB. i have tried supplementing bearded dragons with vitamin d3 in their foods and have been succesfull. but i have also seen bearded dragons that have only been fed insects without any uvb go down hill in about a month. so in conclusion i am not saying it is nessacary to take your lizard out into the sun but it is definitely beneficial. the thing with your eggs is, one if to much calcium is layed on the eggs you can cause the embryo to suffocate. if the egg doesnt absorb enough water the babies can hatch small and deformed sometimes missing toes. if the egg gets to much water the embyo can just die with relatively no deformities. your eggs will be fine though. jsut give them some time and they will hatch.

 

[hypertension]

Thanks Heli

I will keep the post updated with any developments for those interested.

 

[cruester]

To say placing an animal in the sun for a couple of hours a day will prevent calcium deficiency is just naive and ill informed.The original idea is good in theory but the amount of benifits are minimal. The animal HAS to be up to P.B.T whilst outside and would need to be kept at these temps for at least a couple of hours to make any difference.As for gravid animals ,besides the obvious stress that it can cause,would do it even harder due to extra weight and general density from the eggs.For any reptile to benefit from the sun they need to be kept outside constantly.One last note is beardes P.B.T is up around 36-37c so who's going to sit in the sun with there animal in that heat for to long.And no need for constructive critisism if you do your own homework and don't repeat what is generally thought to be the done thing and besides that WHO put you in charge.

 

[hypertension]

Thanks for your input Cruester, but I would like to keep the thread on topic lets just end the war on sunlight benefits now.
PLEASE

 

[Kirby]

natural sunlight is a godsend, although it wont do much without enough calcium in the diet.

 

[Helikaon]

To say placing an animal in the sun for a couple of hours a day will prevent calcium deficiency is just naive and ill informed.The original idea is good in theory but the amount of benifits are minimal. The animal HAS to be up to P.B.T whilst outside and would need to be kept at these temps for at least a couple of hours to make any difference.As for gravid animals ,besides the obvious stress that it can cause,would do it even harder due to extra weight and general density from the eggs.For any reptile to benefit from the sun they need to be kept outside constantly.One last note is beardes P.B.T is up around 36-37c so who's going to sit in the sun with there animal in that heat for to long.And no need for constructive critisism if you do your own homework and don't repeat what is generally thought to be the done thing and besides that WHO put you in charge.

ive done plenty of home work mate. and they definitely don't need hrs of sunlight at their preferred body temperature more like about 30 mins a day. if done correctly it isn't stressful on the lizard at all, so no need to make excuses for not doing something that is benificial. it doesnt take long for a lizard to get to its optimal body temp out in the sun.



because yes the process of transforming previtamin d3 to vitamin d3 can take hrs, they dont need tobe in contact with uvb for the whole time as uvb rays will start to break down the previtamin rather then jsut continue to build up. so 30mins a day is fine, just keep them warm when they come back inside like they should be anyway.

 

[cruester]

I'll have to remember to take your advice next season and not do what i have been for the last ten years, breed 500 + beardeds a season by not giving them any sun or uv.Thats it from me.Best to get advice of helikon,after all he knows best.

 

[Helikaon]

I'll have to remember to take your advice next season and not do what i have been for the last ten years, breed 500 + beardeds a season by not giving them any sun or uv.Thats it from me.Best to get advice of helikon,after all he knows best.

haha another breeder knows best call. just because it works doesnt mean theres not a better way.

information changes on a yearly basis, new research new studies

 

[hypertension]

They all hatched except one

They all hatched out around the 63 day mark but one didn't survive hatching. Thanks again for all the comments about possible reasons for egg shadows.

 

[scorps]

Glad it all worked out.

 

[trader]

unfortunately it is hard to find vermiculite here in melb at the moment all the pet stores are advising not to buy the bunnings stuff

Congrats on the babies!

Even though I work at Bunnings we buy our vermiculite from:

"Exfoliators" address is: 3 Kitchen Road Dandenong Phone: 9706-6049

They carry 6kg bags of grade 1-4.

Cheers, Judy

 

[=bECS=]

Just a little note......... i think perhaps you should have listened to the advice given from the one who hatches a rather large amount of dragons/monitors etc (ie. cruester) instead of the 'google' bandits.

And congrats on the eggs!

 

[Pythons Rule]

haha good to see they hatched for you mate, and where the hell did the topic about sunshine come into hypers egg problem anyways or was it just a heated arguement on who thinks they know best lol.

I would of gone with cruester too he may have only 55 posts but he's been a member since 2006 so I'm sure he'd been around and done anouph like he stated that he's been a breeder for 10 years etc. just cause someone doesn't post much doesn't meen they don't know crap about the subject, even though a person may seem new to the site also doesn't meen they are new to herping either. and everyone has there own oppinions and exsperiances about certain things and this is probably another reason why he hasn't posted much because when he does he gets flamed.

but anyways I'm not saying Helikaon doesn't know anything ether I'm just saying everyone should be able to give out advice that they feel that is relevent and may help out, seeing hyper asked specific for other exsperiance breeders advice and he was getting it no matter what you said.

I don't keep lizards only snakes and I think more exsperianced breeders giving out vital information is much better then hearing something from one person that thinks there way is the only way.

That IMO anyways

and great work on those babies they are just addorable.

cheers

 

[hypertension]

Thanks Judy will look at getting it from them next time I need it, I don't want to change the last clutch over as they are on perlite already and 3 weeks in.

She doesn't look like dropping another clutch either at this stage.

Thanks Becs and Pythons, I new when I posted the question it was likely to start an argument over what is best. I suppose I just have to dessiminate all the information and go from there.

One thing I will never say is that anyones advise is wrong after all if I knew their information was wrong I wouldn't need it in the first place. lol

Still I am pretty happy at my first attempt to breed getting 9 surviving eggs from 12 layed in her first clutch and 8 surving hatchlings.

Her second clutch was 16 and 14 are still going strong.

Cheers again everyone.