Crocodiles

[PilbaraPythons]

Hi Crocboy, regarding raising crocs together I agree with your statement that they need their rumble room if raised in small numbers they can get toey and a rather brutal pecking order can result. I was refering to rearing them together in lots of say 4 to 5 hundred at a time. I find they still scap a bit, but they tend to lose each other in the crowd.

Adrian - Pilbara Pythons

 

[JeffHardy]

Hey I'm Sam - don't knock the Qld rationale - its the same in NSW.

Actually the NSW Native Animal Keepers Consultative Committee, with NPWS support, a few years ago recommended to govt that private keepers be allowed to keep crocs up to 1.2 m in length - like mobile exhibitors. But the Govt. said "Not on your nelly." Or something to that effect.

 

[PilbaraPythons]

Hi Jeff, This bizarre rationale has intriged me for years. I have kept Elapids for years and have also kept thousands of crocs under other licences and know both well. The answer given to me by Qld parks & Wildlife when enquiring about keeping crocs privately was that they are simply too dangerous. I also tried to apply to import 2 captive bred brush turkeys from a breeder in Adelaide and was told. They can not be kept privately in Qld because they are not traditionally kept. Unbelievable

 

[Guest]

not traditionally kept

what does this exactly mean?

 

[PilbaraPythons]

In Qld the bird list is based on seed eating birds that have traditionally been kept in good ol' england for years eg parrots, finches, doves and quail only a few years ago they allowed fruit doves to be kept on a specialist licence. I guess I could have argued that turkeys are traditionally kept, but the brush turkey is a megapode (mound builder) and they dont have any in england. Recently after years of lobbying by private aviculturalists. Qld parks have allowed a limited no of softbilled birds (non seed eaters) to be kept e.g a couple of species of honey eaters and wrens. They are slowly coming round good on 'em I reckon.

 

[Guest]

oh. i didn't know anything about that.
cheers

 

[Nome]

yes, well, you learn something new everyday :wink:

 

[Ochre]

Croc Enclosures

crocboy/ obee/ PilbaraPythons ,

Have u got any pics of your enclosures for the salties/ freshies?

I wouldnt mind getting a Saltie sometime next year (now that we've FINALLY manages to scope out the licencing issues).

Also do you provide heating? If you do what type and how?

Iv had a look at 4 different setups in Perth, one of which appears NOT to be heated. . . . . i found this kind of strange as it gets to about 6 - 10 deg during winter with an average temp during winter of 16 - 20deg. Most of the enclostures iv seen are outdoors with no or very little cover from the natural elements.

thanks. :wink:

 

[womas4me]

RE: Croc Enclosures

I dont think you have any real hope of attaining a croc legally in WA, not with the current reptile laws anyway

 

[Ochre]

Croc Permit

Womas4me:

Have a chat to CALM about it. . . . they are really very helpfull - Ask for the form for a reg 14-16 or i can email the forms to you.

Decide if your applying for commercial/breeding or educational purposes.

Build some enclosures and get CALM to inspect & approve them.

U will need permission from your Local Government and the land you use MUST be freehold.

Most importantly you need some PROVEN experience handling crocs.


:twisted:

 

[womas4me]

RE: Croc Permit

I'm aware of the licensing but not the ability to have them unless you are going to be a wildlife park or doing some bona-fide educational work. As a commercial operation i can understand, but if you can get CALM to give you a license to have them if your not breeding for skin or whatever, or genuine educational work then there is no way my app can be knocked back. I would love to know if they let you breed for sale as pets as unless you attain the wildlife park license in my understanding you wont be able to do it. I have had the forms and spoken to CALM for quite some time now in regards to reg 16.

 

[Crocboy]

RE: Croc Permit

Also do you provide heating? If you do what type and how?

Heating is essential i believe. With any animal you have to mimic the habitat they have originated from. My hatchlings are in aquariums in my lounge room. After the pick up size they go to grow out tanks in my shed. Aquariums are heated with eletric heaters and the ones in the shed are done by gas. Clear sheeting on the roof lets the sun in during the day but also lets the heat out at night.

 

[Crocboy]

Forgot the photos!
In one photo you can see a shade over the water. This is to shade in summer and insulate in winter.

 

[womas4me]

That is a great looking setup.

 

[hey_im_sam]

Hey I'm Sam - don't knock the Qld rationale - its the same in NSW.

I realise that Jeff, I guess I was kinda knocking both! I've never kept any large crocodilians, but wouldn't mind the opportunity. I'd certainly choose to keep a couple crocs over taipans...

 

[Ochre]

WA croc permits

Crocboy:

Awesome setup, great pics. . . keep em coming.

Womas4me:

My intention is to get a pair of salties, possible breeding, future egg/hatchies sales.(Possibly - havent decided if i want to get that involved)

I am a partner in a company that provides a range of animal/reptile "related" services including education to community groups, private clients and gov departments.

Because of the above i "apparently" fit into two categorys - Commercial and Educational.

I'll post up how my app goes over the next few months. . . .gotta finish the enclosures first. . . . .im having "ISSUES" with the local gov :x .

Have you got a copy of the Wildlife Act and Regs?

 

[womas4me]

RE: WA croc permits

Yeah, i have a copy of the act and regs. I think you will be going more for the reg 14 ( wildlife park ) maybe. I know you wont be a park as such but under that one you can obtain animals and breed them provided they are not on the gazzetted pet herp list, which those arn't. The reg 16 part i am sure you could fit into as well somehow as they are a valuable education tool if used as such.
My main thing was that if you just intended to get some as ' pets ' with the aim of breeding i dont think it would be possible.
I also have spoken to CALM about species that are currently not legally available eg diamond python.
Best of luck to you and hope you get past the local gov hurdles. Let us know how you go.

 

[Crocboy]

These are my babies. I could watch them all day.

 

[Tommo]

here in darwin anyone can keep crocs until they are 60cm in length, unless you live in the rural area and can supply for their needs.

 

[Guest]

That would b worth having. man i want some now.