DECC minimum enclosure size discussion.

[jamgo]

Probably because the representatives have been engaged on behalf of herp societies not online forums which are not included in the consultation process.

I understand that these forums don't need to be in the consultation process.....but i thought these forums were here for the sharing of information and experiences of its members and these representatives are members.

 

[wokka]

I think DECC accept that the draft is far from perfect in its current form and is only a discussion paper. Once the draft has been pulled to bits, and tidied up by the various consulting groups I expect there will be another round of public consultation including grass roots hobbiests, possinly via forums.

 

[Lozza]

I think DECC accept that the draft is far from perfect in its current form and is only a discussion paper. Once the draft has been pulled to bits, and tidied up by the various consulting groups I expect there will be another round of public consultation including grass roots hobbiests, possinly via forums.

Do you know what kind of time frame we are looking at?
I just bought a whole lot of materials to start building some new enclosures but have had to put it on hold in case what I've planned isn't the right size

 

[longte]

NSW has followed Qld on most things so look at the Qld enclosure sizes for exhibiting wildlife

 

[zulu]

re DECC

Do you know what kind of time frame we are looking at?
I just bought a whole lot of materials to start building some new enclosures but have had to put it on hold in case what I've planned isn't the right size

Have they scared you loz,theyll probably close the street off so you cant escape,kick the door down with crazed sniffer dogs running round,rip your license up and flush down the toilet,hold the family hostage but thats all,dont worry things will work out youve got a lot of time on your hands in gaol.

 

[Slateman]

This forum have 15 000 members and there are another 2 large forums in this country.
I don't see the reason not to communicate with public by using on-line forum.
I am also member of herp society and have no information from that source.

 

[Lozza]

Have they scared you loz,theyll probably close the street off so you cant escape,kick the door down with crazed sniffer dogs running round,rip your license up and flush down the toilet,hold the family hostage but thats all,dont worry things will work out youve got a lot of time on your hands in gaol.

LOL zulu :lol: not so much that as going to all the effort of building them, then having to start again lol

 

[zulu]

re DECC

This forum have 15 000 members and there are another 2 large forums in this country.
I don't see the reason not to communicate with public by using on-line forum.
I am also member of herp society and have no information from that source.

What you say is true boss slateman,they DECC also prefer to use the internet to seek out and prosecute those that choose the path of evil,officers mixing with underlings may be banned as such like prison officers dating inmates,so they may be able to look but not touch the flesh.

 

[zoolander]

I think DECC accept that the draft is far from perfect in its current form and is only a discussion paper

why is stamped 'CONFIDENTIAL'?

why don't you share it?

 

[pythonmum]

I imagine it will be hard to legislate sizes based only on floor space when some folks have much more room in that third dimension. My Morelia enclosures are taller than the floor space because they like to climb. It will be interesting to see if guidelines are in square metres of floor space or cubic metres of enclosure space. Perhaps I will have to turn them all on their sides!

 

[MissHiss]

Hi Greebo, this is exactly my point, ha ha,.. are people talking square mtrs? or cubic mtrs? there is no mathematical equation other than a square mtr is a square mtr, and the same goes with cubic mtrs.. please inform me if these formulas have changed as we build houses & if someone will be ordering off us in the future we need to factor the extra 2.4mtr ceiling height in

 

[Colin]

I think DECC accept that the draft is far from perfect in its current form and is only a discussion paper. Once the draft has been pulled to bits, and tidied up by the various consulting groups I expect there will be another round of public consultation including grass roots hobbiests, possinly via forums.

whats the latest version please wokka? Is it version 1.6 ? or is their a 1.7 version out?

 

[-Matt-]

I just dont understand why there is so much secrecy surrounding this proposal and also where all these crazy rumors are coming from? People seem to just be making up sizes willy-nilly and then everyone believes them.

Shouldnt these people that are representing the various herp societies and that are 'in the know' be sharing their knowledge with the rest of the herp community?

 

[baxtor]

Yes that is big.It is also wrong.
As Wokka already wrote 4000cm2 is 0.4 square meter.

Apples and oranges being compared here. 4000cm2 is an area of 4000cm X 4000cm
it is not 4000 sq cm

 

[snitchy]

committee named

This was not a self appointed advisory committee, but appointed by DECC as an advisory group.
Anthony Stimpson- Frog and Reptile Expo
Matt Mcloskey- AHS
JohnWeigel (OAM)- Mac Herps, ARP, Snake Ranch
John Mostyn- Hawkesbury herps , Sydney Wildlife World
Garth Rankin- IRS
Wawrick Denshire- Sofar
Jamie Stuart- North Coast
Dr Glen Shea – Vet, Reptile researcher, Sydney Uni
Gerry Swan - Reptile author, needs no introduction
Dr Jason Flesch- UWS Reptile Research Unit
Dr Peter Harlow- Taronga Zoo
John Cann (OAM) – Reptile author, national treasure, needs no introduction

 

[TWENTY B]

Shouldnt these people that are representing the various herp societies and that are 'in the know' be sharing their knowledge with the rest of the herp community?

join a herp society, go to a meeting, you might find out some of the info yo are after.

i agree the proposed enclosure sizes are rediculous.
heaven forbid you own a few lacies, thier enclosure will have to be bigger than your house

 

[Ramsayi]

join a herp society, go to a meeting, you might find out some of the info yo are after.

i agree the proposed enclosure sizes are rediculous.
heaven forbid you own a few lacies, thier enclosure will have to be bigger than your house

40000 cm2 or 4 square metres or 200 x 200cm for a lacey.I don't keep lacies but those dimensions don't seem to be excessive given their overall size.

 

[pythons73]

I just dont understand why there is so much secrecy surrounding this proposal and also where all these crazy rumors are coming from? People seem to just be making up sizes willy-nilly and then everyone believes them.

Shouldnt these people that are representing the various herp societies and that are 'in the know' be sharing their knowledge with the rest of the herp community?

If you remember at one of the last meetings,Jamie did mention it,and will keep us informed as much as he can.Those dimensions for a Lacie Rams dont seem to bad,compared to their size,i wouldve thought the measurements for a Lacie to be alot bigger than that..

 

[wiz-fiz]

i vote craig23 and jason represent us in court, if it gets put through. and it would be good, if the cages aren't to big, like someone mentioned 2.5 mtre floor space for 1 beardie, thats just ridiculous, like maybe 3-4 length and 1-2 deep would be better, because thats what most people keep them in, and it stops people keeping them in tiny cages. but if they do introduce a law that makes u keep all your animals in massive enclosures, it will just kill the hobby. big breeders would go out of business, and most hobbyists would have to sell most of their collection.

Will

 

[bundybear]

i'm no mathamatical genius, but some people really need to go back and learn basic area measurement.