miss.ashleigh
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What aussie reptiles can produce double clutches?
Double Clutch?
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Frozenmouse
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Chrisreptile
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Beardies, Water dragons and many other dragons, Monitors, Gecko's etc
redcentrerodents
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Antaresia also.
anyone ever double clutched any Water's or Carpets?
anyone ever double clutched any Water's or Carpets?
Jonno from ERD
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redcentrerodents,
If Antaresia can do it, that would be the first record for pythons. Do you have any evidence of it?
Nearly all egg laying lizards can multi clutch, as can a large number of egg laying elapids and colubrids.
If Antaresia can do it, that would be the first record for pythons. Do you have any evidence of it?
Nearly all egg laying lizards can multi clutch, as can a large number of egg laying elapids and colubrids.
redcentrerodents
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Johno:
i don't mean to sound outright rude, but, you don't actually beleive that you know everything about all breeding's and breeder's!
i mean, read your post again. It sounds like you "don't beleive me".
the breeder who bred 2 clutches of stimsoni is a well known person who hails from Victoria.
many of his friends witnessed the event's a few years ago.
i would of thought that this was not a secret, or as you say "THE FIRST RECORDED IN HISTORY".
After 160 0dd years, you don't think that this was the "only ever time"!
It makes sense though if many reptile species can double clutch, why not the smaller species of python? they are after all, (stimsoni) the species which has reproduced the youngest.( i think from memory five month's of age)
Don't take this the wrong way, but when i read your reply, it came across a little nasty, making me defend myself.
i was merely adding my 2 cent's worth to someone's question, afterall, i have not sat down and read / memorized 25 years of herping notes, and my vast book collection to give the complete list, just an unusuall account.
i can also say geckoe's definately, dragon's definately.
anyone else to add anything?
i don't mean to sound outright rude, but, you don't actually beleive that you know everything about all breeding's and breeder's!
i mean, read your post again. It sounds like you "don't beleive me".
the breeder who bred 2 clutches of stimsoni is a well known person who hails from Victoria.
many of his friends witnessed the event's a few years ago.
i would of thought that this was not a secret, or as you say "THE FIRST RECORDED IN HISTORY".
After 160 0dd years, you don't think that this was the "only ever time"!
It makes sense though if many reptile species can double clutch, why not the smaller species of python? they are after all, (stimsoni) the species which has reproduced the youngest.( i think from memory five month's of age)
Don't take this the wrong way, but when i read your reply, it came across a little nasty, making me defend myself.
i was merely adding my 2 cent's worth to someone's question, afterall, i have not sat down and read / memorized 25 years of herping notes, and my vast book collection to give the complete list, just an unusuall account.
i can also say geckoe's definately, dragon's definately.
anyone else to add anything?
notechistiger
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LMAO!!
redcentrerodents, I think I'd trust Jonno over you. I've never heard of a stimsons owned by a man who comes from Victoria that had two clutches in a season where two of his friends witnessed it. I don't see how someone could witness a snake laying two clutches. Unless the snake had a large clutch and they divided it into two... Lol.
And a stimsons breeding at five months of age is somewhat ridiculous notion. At that age, the snake would probably be around thirty or so centimetres. No more than forty.
And there's no need to take a stab at Jonno. He's been here, giving us helpful information for MUCH longer than you have. You'll find quite a lot of people won't believe you, because everyone has their own opinions and beliefs. It's something you'll have to get used to.
redcentrerodents, I think I'd trust Jonno over you. I've never heard of a stimsons owned by a man who comes from Victoria that had two clutches in a season where two of his friends witnessed it. I don't see how someone could witness a snake laying two clutches. Unless the snake had a large clutch and they divided it into two... Lol.
And a stimsons breeding at five months of age is somewhat ridiculous notion. At that age, the snake would probably be around thirty or so centimetres. No more than forty.
And there's no need to take a stab at Jonno. He's been here, giving us helpful information for MUCH longer than you have. You'll find quite a lot of people won't believe you, because everyone has their own opinions and beliefs. It's something you'll have to get used to.
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redcentrerodents
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"And a stimsons breeding at five months of age is somewhat ridiculous notion. At that age, the snake would probably be around thirty or so centimetres. No more than forty."
I beg your pardon, do some reading and you will find it has been published and accecpted as a fact, not a ridiculous notion.
and why don't you also contact the Victorian Herp Society and see if they know who the breeder was before "having a go at me" , surely this breeder cannot be the first person ever to prove this with a python.
I don't know you, and you don't know me! But from one single statement you cast doubt on my trustworthiness and integrity! :shock:
People contribute to life, forums, public, government, tourism, education in different mediums, in different decade's. Not everyone is at the same stage in life as others, maybe just maybe, you didn't stop to think, that after nearly 3 decades, who knows how many people i've helped, just being a new member of a forum, does not make me a new enthusiast!:lol:
I'm glad jonno helps out around here, if you look back at my initial post, i was also HELPING to answer the thread, by stating that another KNOWN example of a species that CAN double clutch is Antaresia.
You have not contributed to the thread, but instead decided to get off topic all over my reply to Jonno.
I'm going to get back to enjoying my life, rather than continue to defend myself over trivia
I beg your pardon, do some reading and you will find it has been published and accecpted as a fact, not a ridiculous notion.
and why don't you also contact the Victorian Herp Society and see if they know who the breeder was before "having a go at me" , surely this breeder cannot be the first person ever to prove this with a python.
I don't know you, and you don't know me! But from one single statement you cast doubt on my trustworthiness and integrity! :shock:
People contribute to life, forums, public, government, tourism, education in different mediums, in different decade's. Not everyone is at the same stage in life as others, maybe just maybe, you didn't stop to think, that after nearly 3 decades, who knows how many people i've helped, just being a new member of a forum, does not make me a new enthusiast!:lol:
I'm glad jonno helps out around here, if you look back at my initial post, i was also HELPING to answer the thread, by stating that another KNOWN example of a species that CAN double clutch is Antaresia.
You have not contributed to the thread, but instead decided to get off topic all over my reply to Jonno.
I'm going to get back to enjoying my life, rather than continue to defend myself over trivia
I've grown many stimmies at high feeding rates, but at 5 months old you'd be hard pressed to exceed 150 grams. They just cant eat enough to grow faster. At that size the females wont be big enough to breed, especially considering they would have to be gravid at 3 months old.
Maybe it was 15 months old not 5 months old that you were thinking off. That's quite believable since I currently have two 19 month olds that are gravid.
Maybe it was 15 months old not 5 months old that you were thinking off. That's quite believable since I currently have two 19 month olds that are gravid.
redcentrerodents, i dont think jonno was saying he knows everything about breeding but double clutching in pythons is unheard of so if it is true that this VIC breeder did get stimmies to double clutch it is a world first for pythons. Also stimmies breeding at 5months is a little far fetched, i think the youngest i have heard for any antaresia is about 18months
Are you able to point us in the direction of this publication? And by no means am I having a go at you either, but as codered has said, it would be impossible for an animal to fall gravid at such a young age and if such a thing did happen, it should be documented. Breeding animals at 18 months is difficult enough let alone 5 montshs.
The same applies to double clutching any pythons, I know of heaps who have tried many methods and none have ever exceeded. The snake species I know of that can double and triple clutch are not in the python family. Surely if this were true we have read about it somewhere, after all the States are the pioneers when it comes reptiles and if they are 10yrs ahead of us, surely they would also have done it by now.
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wokka
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If double clutching is having two clutches in twelve months then I doubt that that can be done repeatably and sustainably, although I would be surprised to hear some exceptions exist. I am sure it would be possible to wind back the generation interval in Aussie Pythons, from the current 12 months,by playing with the triggers for mating/ovulation etc under a controlled environment which many pythons are currently kept. If a desirable trait , such as, say resistance to OPMV, needed to be multiplied the necessary effort may be justified.
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Vincent
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I've got a line of Coastal Taipans that triple clutch. Problem is getting them not to, as it takes too much out of the females. Hard to stop them though, as they continually lay eggs from the first lot of matings.
At the risk of getting flamed, i've had 9 month old Womas mating for the last couple of months. They started when they were 7 months old. But it looks like the females arent gravid.
At the risk of getting flamed, i've had 9 month old Womas mating for the last couple of months. They started when they were 7 months old. But it looks like the females arent gravid.
It isnt that hard to get anteresia to breed at 18months i dont really see it as pushing them either, 5 months on the other hand, sounds like some serious feeding it would be interesting to see if such feeding and early breeding had a negative impact in the long run.
I was actually goin to see if i could get my macs mating again while its still cold.
redcentrerodents
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Okay. for all the those who wish to read for yourselves, go to a book called:
The Biology and Evolution of Australian Snakes, authored by A.Greer., 1997.
i'm pretty certain that is where i read those statements.
if anyone has any antaresia papers from B.Barnett from about 1985 / 1987, they may also be amongst them.
and yes i'm very sure it was 5 months not 15. i have an excellent memory thankyou.
the breeder in Victoria doubled clutched Stimsoni.
i doubt he would be the VERY FIRST person in 160 odd years of keeping this species to have done it. if he is, i'm sure it would of been proved / disproved by his direct peers when it happened,
as i no longer wish to take over this thread, or continue to try and change people's opinion's, please, if you don't wish to beleive, don't beleive, (i won't lose sleep over it)but don't throw around statements like, "impossible", just explore some more and you will learn it is.
Look Guy's / Girl's, my initial intention was to add information, not start an argument.
HAVE A GREAT DAY:lol:
The Biology and Evolution of Australian Snakes, authored by A.Greer., 1997.
i'm pretty certain that is where i read those statements.
if anyone has any antaresia papers from B.Barnett from about 1985 / 1987, they may also be amongst them.
and yes i'm very sure it was 5 months not 15. i have an excellent memory thankyou.
the breeder in Victoria doubled clutched Stimsoni.
i doubt he would be the VERY FIRST person in 160 odd years of keeping this species to have done it. if he is, i'm sure it would of been proved / disproved by his direct peers when it happened,
as i no longer wish to take over this thread, or continue to try and change people's opinion's, please, if you don't wish to beleive, don't beleive, (i won't lose sleep over it)but don't throw around statements like, "impossible", just explore some more and you will learn it is.
Look Guy's / Girl's, my initial intention was to add information, not start an argument.
HAVE A GREAT DAY:lol:
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wokka
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Red center, I am with you I would NOT be surprised to hear of cases of two clutches in twelve months. I left out the critical NOT in my previous post.
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Emzie
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ok im pretty noob when it comes to snakes but 5 months!!! have you seen the size of a 5 month old stimi? i doubt they would be able to breed
Of course you can have two clutches in a 12 months period, thats easy. But that doesnt mean two clucthes per year
I dont for one minute believe that any stimmy has bred at 5 months old .. its complete BS.
jessb
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Of course you can have two clutches in a 12 months period, thats easy. But that doesnt mean two clucthes per year
Then what does it mean?
A snake can breed in November one year and then in October the next year. Thats two clucthes in a 12 month period, but is still going to be one clutch per year.
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