Lest We Forget

[soulweaver]

errmm.....what exactly does ANZAC stand for then ??.....Australia...new zeland,...im guessing thats the first bit ! whats the rest
??
But im with the same view as nina...if your going to pay respect to people who died during war then you pay your respects to every person, regardless of race or religion. And im sure not everyone wanted to fight....faced with the choice of going to the front line to fight or being shot on the spot if you refused !!

we do show respect for all, it happens every year, in the 11th month, on the 11th day, at the 11th hour.

i am going to go out on a limb here and say that ANZAC day probably means more to Australia then Australia day does.

 

[soulweaver]

moreliaman (UK) wrote: after all that was a war that America intervened in (as they usually do.....america more than others yes, because they seem to enjoy invading small countries more than others

Not as much as England :wink: Wasn't England one of the biggest war mongering races on the planet? invading countless smaller nations and islands "in the name of the british commonwealth" much more so than America... more in line with Hitler in my opinion... and did'nt the English through their mismanagement end up sending our troops to Gallipolli to be slaughtered? Didn't Hitler get a foothold in Europe to the point that it was difficult to stop him because of the spineless actions of what was his name? Chamberlain? and then WW2 started?

my last word on this thread is ANZAC day is for Australians and New Zealanders... and all people should show some respect to the fallen....

He does have a point, England has invaded more countries then America to date.

Although Gallipoli shaped us as a nation, we must remeber who it was that sent us there. It was the same man who later became your war time prime minister in ww2.

to england at the time we were a 'colony' and its funny when you read about ww1 history how much england achieved and how much the australians did. not bad for a colony i say ol' chap

 

[Moreliaman]

you could be right colin......yes 100's of years ago when the british government (like alot of other countries at that time) were responsible for many cruel things...(i think youll find the romans were worse...depends how far you want to go back !!!! ).....but it was before i was born so sorry you cant really tar me with the same brush !.......so what part of the world do your relations originate from colin ?
I was walking around whilst america/uk illegally invaded iraq !

 

[Moreliaman]

He does have a point, England has invaded more countries then America to date.

He does yes, im not defending the british, but if the english had'nt.......... you would'nt be where you are right now !!
..........i spose you could all move out & give the whole island back to the aboriginals ! :wink: :lol:

 

[Retic]

Yes indeed 100's of years ago the British did indeed invade many countries on their way to building a huge empire but to bring that into the discussion is absurd, we are talking about modern times, many things have changed over the years.

you could be right colin......yes 100's of years ago when the british government (like alot of other countries at that time) were responsible for many cruel things...(i think youll find the romans were worse...depends how far you want to go back !!!! ).....but it was before i was born so sorry you cant really tar me with the same brush !.......so what part of the world do your relations originate from colin ?
I was walking around whilst america/uk/Australia illegally invaded iraq !

 

[soulweaver]

He does have a point, England has invaded more countries then America to date.

He does yes, im not defending the british, but if the english had'nt.......... you would'nt be where you are right now !!
..........i spose you could all move out & give the whole island back to the aboriginals ! :wink: :lol:

There is evidence to suggest that the aboriginals weren't here first either, so now what?

 

[Retic]

You mean the bridge built by an English company using 75% British steel based on the Hell Gate Bridge in New York ? :lol: :wink:

ANZAC is as Australian as the Sydney Harbour bridge, quote]

 

[soulweaver]

that was ment more as a icon, rather then materials. Would you rather me see ayres rock?

 

[Retic]

I'm not much into icons, too many things seem to be given that title nowadays including clothes hoists and lawn mowers :lol: But yes Uluru is better :wink:

that was ment more as a icon, rather then materials. Would you rather me see ayres rock?

 

[soulweaver]

don't knock the hills hoist, i work for hills...................on second thoughts hills sucks

 

[Retic]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[dino]

am i hearing right is someone saying that they are teaching in uni that japan was not going to invade australia
just the fact that your a history student should tell you that you have so much to learn what your taught by one side is completely different to what you would be taught if you were a student in japan
i have studied the war for almost 20 years and there is lots of evidence to say japan even had spies in australia at the time of the war ,the island i used to live on in the hawksberry river has a net work or concrete bunkers all over it built by the army to keep the japan army out of brookllyn there are more at berowra waters as well but they won't have that in the history books like so much more.
what do they think the mini jap subs in sydeny harbour were for (they wanted to trap our ships in sydney harbour so they could do here what they did in perl harbour).but they suffocated and left their subs not to far from the harbour bridge.

 

[Moreliaman]

He does have a point, England has invaded more countries then America to date.

He does yes, im not defending the british, but if the english had'nt.......... you would'nt be where you are right now !!
..........i spose you could all move out & give the whole island back to the aboriginals ! :wink: :lol:

There is evidence to suggest that the aboriginals weren't here first either, so now what?

Well its still bad news im afraid...you'll all have to leave & then the wildlife will own australia !! :wink: (no we cant go back further & give it to the dinosaurs!) :lol:

 

[peterescue]

Im very disappointed in this thread.
My grand fathers fought in Two world wars and my father was in Korea and Vietnam.
If you had been alive then Nina you would have seen his photo on the front page of the Adelaide (and Melbourne) newspaper for his work in getting clothing and food for Viet orphans. The ordeal scarred him. Returning to the orphange would reveal children who had been there days before had simply disappeared or died. My father was a career soldier but he is still effected by this.
Anzac days is to commemorate those who have fallen in war. It is a time to reflect. Not bicker about petty point scoring issues.

 

[Guest]

I apologise if my post offended you peronally morelia man... Anzac day and our veterans is something that I hold very dear to my heart.. and it brings a lot of emotion and anger up inside me when people start to or seem to be disrespecting what it stands for.

It is still a sore point with me that when the japanese were coming to invade Australia and that England refused to come to our aid... in my opinion if America did not stop them when they did, then we would have been invaded and overun... That is why I defend America... they are not are perfect country (none are) but I feel that they get slagged too much by everyone... and the way I see it, Australia owes a great deal to that country...

I realise my post was kinda personally directed at you, and I apologise to you and anyone else for any offense I may have given, but ask that you realise that this issue is an extremely emotional one for myself..

My ancestors were mainly from Scotland by the way and I won't go into that situation with the English further... but to say my brother in laws name is William Wallace :wink:

Anyway dude... here's the olive branch... hope you take it and theres no hard feelings..

 

[NinaPeas]

Im very disappointed in this thread.
My grand fathers fought in Two world wars and my father was in Korea and Vietnam.
If you had been alive then Nina you would have seen his photo on the front page of the Adelaide (and Melbourne) newspaper for his work in getting clothing and food for Viet orphans. The ordeal scarred him. Returning to the orphange would reveal children who had been there days before had simply disappeared or died. My father was a career soldier but he is still effected by this.
Anzac days is to commemorate those who have fallen in war. It is a time to reflect. Not bicker about petty point scoring issues.

I'm sure my mum kept all the newspapers. Her and dad had been married 2 weeks before he went.

yes, no more bickering!

 

[Retic]

I think there are always 2 sides to a story, I think from what I understand far from refusing to come to the aid of Australia British troops were stretched to the limit in Europe.
Colin, being Scottish it is almost inbred in you to mistrust the English and that's fair enough, I think the feeling might be mutual :wink:
In modern times the Americans it would seem have been responsible for starting more conflicts than any other nation and they invariably don't go well. Bear in mind I am not talking about the American people but it's leaders. They went to the aid of Kuwait for one reason only.....OIL. They invaded Iraq with help from the UK and Australia for one reason.....OIL. Now they are threatening Iran because they have the audacity to want nuclear power and just maybe bombs as well, once again the World Police think it is their place to step in.

 

[Guest]

Can we agree to disagree and let this debate rest....

It's not that I want to back away from an argument, but with a lot of these issues people have definite views and I can see the thread going in a direction not in the best interests of this website..

I joined this site becuase I love reptiles and wanted to gain information from others with a similar interest and also help them if I can.

Some people have definite views about certain non herp related issues and when two immovable forces meet there are problems and possible conflicts between members. I don't think anyone really wants that to happen..

So in the interests of this website and all members... can we let these issues rest.

Otherwise whats next on the reptile website agenda? muslims, religion and politics?

I made the previous post in attempt to diffuse this emotional issue, apologise for any offence my views may have caused anyone (but not apologise for my views) and try to move on from these volatile subjects and get back on track to things herp related.

In my humble opinion everyone else should do the same..

 

[Retic]

I agree except for the fact that it is an argument, healthy debate I think. I've never been one to get too worked up over something unless it is a personal attack but yes as you say when people have differing views it does often become heated.
I try to keep everything light and never serious. Lifes too short to get worked up about these issues. :lol:

 

[Fuscus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_invasion_of_Australia_during_World_War_II