luv this hybrid 75% diamond x jungle

[shellfisch]

Did this pairing produce offspring...... Id get some just for interest sake, would be interesting watching the colouring up after each shed.

I don't believe mojo73 put up that pic because he/she had any connection.....I think it was put up, along with the comment, purely to be mean......

Edited because I just assumed mojo73 is a male

 

[Zoltag]

i understand that bit jj,but if u breed a coastal jaguar to a jungle how come its a 50 percent jungle jaguar,how does it lose the coastal from its name

not being nitty picky,i just dont get how the percentage thing comes about
also wouldnt crossing a coastal carpet jag to a normal jungle actually result in 50 percent coastal jags,seing the jag trait was originally from the coastal in the pairing

and also doesnt breeding say 50 percent offspring back to a normal partner result in less of a percentage,not higher eg 75 percent

if u bred a 75 percent jungle jag with a normal jungle,you dont get a 100 percent jungle or a 100 percent jungle jag,they have coastal in there lineage,i dont understand the whole percentage thing in that way if u get my drift

The percentage thing is quite easy to work out.

50% of the genes comes from the male, 50% from the female. Thus, if the male is a 50% Jungle cross and the female is a 100% Jungle purebred, then the offspring would consist of 50% x 50% Jungle cross (or 25% Jungle, 25% other) and 50% x 100% Jungle (or 50% Jungle). Adding the result gives you 75% Jungle cross.

In terms of breeding a 75% Jungle with a 100% Jungle, you are right, they wouldnt be 100% Jungle, they would be 87.5% Jungle.

These percentages are all averages, though, because what you will really get depends on the the actual genes in the parents and the random luck as to which genes make it into the offspring. So, if an actual 75% Jungle is crossed with an actual 100% Jungle, you could get anything from 75% Jungles through to 100% Jungles in the resulting offspring. It becomes more interesting if you have an actual 75% Jungle paired with an actual 75% Jungle, which will give you anything from 50% Jungles through to 100% Jungles.

 

[BARRAMUNDI]

I don't believe mojo73 put up that pic because he/she had any connection.....I think it was put up, along with the comment, purely to be mean......

Edited because I just assumed mojo73 is a male

Maybe, maybe not,

he/she posted a pic of one of his Jags earlier and has seemed to be fairly neutral to the hybrid debate so far......

 

[shellfisch]

Maybe, maybe not,

he/she posted a pic of one of his Jags earlier and has seemed to be fairly neutral to the hybrid debate so far......

If that's the case, I stand corrected and totally apologise. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

 

[borntobnude]

ooops

i was wondering if i should post in this thread or just keep my strange sense of what i call humour to my self for fear of some one thinking the wrong thing
yes / no too late
when the bell rings is a signal for All snakes to escape and either return to the wild or go to the place that (if they were not just bred for pets ) they may have already been.
as said i think all snakes are pretty special ---lizards frogs birds etc
they didnt ask to be cross bred /hybrydised /GMed but they are here and should/ need to be loved and caredfor just the same as all of the pure strains of any animal

 

[richardsc]

i think the percentage thing is errornous,first off if u have a jungle jag which originally was produced from a mating with a coastal jag and a pure jungle,that bloodline will always be polluted by coastal bloodline,you cant breed it out

how does crossing a coastal jag to a jungle pure result in jungle jags,how is the coastal forgotten,and also what happens when the 3rd sub species is bred into the line,say a diamondjunglecoastal jag

 

[Bushfire]

Richard, it is a statistically chance, just like producing albinos from various % of hets. The difference being albinos are visual so you will know when you got it.

If you breed a 50% jungle jag (it could be of any %, but the lower the % the lower the chance) with a 100% Jungle, as both parents do have jungle genes there is a statistically chance of getting a 100% Jungle. The offspring could potentially range from 50% jungle jag all the way through to 100% jungle (but never a 100% jag, as both parents dont hold the jag gene only one does). Will you know its a 100% - No, breeders take the middle ground and say 75% Jungle Jag, just like breeders calculating the chance of a clutch being albino or hets from het parents.

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

more mongrels in the making for you jane

very nice ideed.. why do you always call them mongrels?..:| you never have have anything nice to say..?

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

ooops

i was wondering if i should post in this thread or just keep my strange sense of what i call humour to my self for fear of some one thinking the wrong thing
yes / no too late
when the bell rings is a signal for All snakes to escape and either return to the wild or go to the place that (if they were not just bred for pets ) they may have already been.
as said i think all snakes are pretty special ---lizards frogs birds etc
they didnt ask to be cross bred /hybrydised /GMed but they are here and should/ need to be loved and caredfor just the same as all of the pure strains of any animal

you never have anything nice to say anyway... :| so whats the point ?

 

[mojo73]

very nice ideed.. why do you always call them mongrels?..:| you never have have anything nice to say..?

Jane I take it you do not know or understand what a mongrel is?

If I call my snake a mongrel that is not a bad thing. In it's simplest terms it means that it is a snake that has a mixed ancestry. In this case it is the breeding of a bredli with a diamond x jungle (a mongrel) and hopefully the creation of further mongrels.

If you do not understand something please either ask or use the dictionary

All the best.

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

Jane I take it you do not know or understand what a mongrel is?

If I call my snake a mongrel that is not a bad thing. In it's simplest terms it means that it is a snake that has a mixed ancestry. In this case it is the breeding of a bredli with a diamond x jungle (a mongrel) and hopefully the creation of further mongrels.

If you do not understand something please either ask or use the dictionary

All the best.

EXCUSE ME MR... I DO KNOW WHAT A MONGREL IS HERE WE DONT CALL THEM MONGRELS WE SAY CROSSES :| ... ARE THEY REALLY YOUR SNAKES ?

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

i don't believe mojo73 put up that pic because he/she had any connection.....i think it was put up, along with the comment, purely to be mean......

Edited because i just assumed mojo73 is a male

i was thinking the same aswell ?

 

[Colin]

In this case it is the breeding of a bredli with a diamond x jungle (a mongrel) and hopefully the creation of further mongrels.

mojo73 can I ask you two questions please?

(1) are you in australia or england?

(2) are the jungle and bredli in the pic you posted your animals?

because on the newspaper they are sitting on in the top corner near that piece of wood it clearly has a monetary amount shown in pounds for that car and we have dollars here in Australia. So your either not in Australia (even though you have a 4X avatar to suggest your in QLD) or if you are in Australia and the snakes are not yours and its a wind up..

just my observations and would appreciate you clearing this matter up please. thanks

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

mojo73 can i ask you two questions please?

(1) are you in australia or england?

(2) are the jungle and bredli in the pic you posted your animals?

Because on the newspaper they are sitting on in the top corner near that piece of wood it clearly has a monetary amount shown in pounds for that car and we have dollars here in australia. So your either not in australia (even though you have a 4x avatar to suggest your in qld) or if you are in australia and the snakes are not yours and its a wind up..

Just my observations and would appreciate you clearing this matter up please. Thanks :d

thats what i noticed the newspaper ?

 

[mojo73]

mojo73 can I ask you two questions please?

(1) are you in australia or england?

(2) are the jungle and bredli in the pic you posted your animals?

because on the newspaper they are sitting on in the top corner near that piece of wood it clearly has a monetary amount shown in pounds for that car and we have dollars here in Australia. So your either not in Australia (even though you have a 4X avatar to suggest your in QLD) or if you are in Australia and the snakes are not yours and its a wind up..

just my observations and would appreciate you clearing this matter up please. thanks

Dear Colin,

yes you may.

1. United Kingdom

2. Yes they are mine but it is not a jungle but a diamond x jungle - no wind up.

As per the avatar it is because it is one of my favourite beers, it could have been Amstel or Castle as I like those too

 

[Colin]

thanks for that mojo73 cheers

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

Dear Colin,

yes you may.

1. United Kingdom

2. Yes they are mine but it is not a jungle but a diamond x jungle - no wind up.

As per the avatar it is because it is one of my favourite beers, it could have been Amstel or Castle as I like those too

i had an idea you was from england

 

[Zoltag]

i think the percentage thing is errornous,first off if u have a jungle jag which originally was produced from a mating with a coastal jag and a pure jungle,that bloodline will always be polluted by coastal bloodline,you cant breed it out

how does crossing a coastal jag to a jungle pure result in jungle jags,how is the coastal forgotten,and also what happens when the 3rd sub species is bred into the line,say a diamondjunglecoastal jag

As explained, the percentage thing is an average. With careful breeding and genetic testing (and a good number of purebreds to select from), you absolutely can breed the Coastal genes out of a line. When the parents produce offspring without Coastal genes, it doesnt matter how many times you breed the offspring (or its offspring, or its offsprings offspring, etc), unless you specifically add a Coastal, or a Coastal cross back into the line, the Coastal genes are gone and will not magically reappear (unless by some freaky luck you get an animal that has a genetic mutation identical to one or more Coastal genes - Which is unlikely in the extreme to occur).

Crossing Coastal Jags with Jungles would produce Coastal Jag Jungle crosses. As the Jag gene is Coastal in nature, do you really need the name Coastal there? Jungle Jag sounds better (its all in the marketing ). If you add another sub-species (remember, Coastals and Jungles are the same species), then you make up a new name for it.

 

[JUNGLEJAGUAR]

As explained, the percentage thing is an average. With careful breeding and genetic testing (and a good number of purebreds to select from), you absolutely can breed the Coastal genes out of a line. When the parents produce offspring without Coastal genes, it doesnt matter how many times you breed the offspring (or its offspring, or its offsprings offspring, etc), unless you specifically add a Coastal, or a Coastal cross back into the line, the Coastal genes are gone and will not magically reappear (unless by some freaky luck you get an animal that has a genetic mutation identical to one or more Coastal genes - Which is unlikely in the extreme to occur).

Crossing Coastal Jags with Jungles would produce Coastal Jag Jungle crosses. As the Jag gene is Coastal in nature, do you really need the name Coastal there? Jungle Jag sounds better (its all in the marketing ). If you add another sub-species (remember, Coastals and Jungles are the same species), then you make up a new name for it.

couldnt have said it any better..

 

[Colin]

come on people stop the bickering please or I will close this thread. thank you