Morphs

[OuZo]

I was just havin a look at this site http://www.moreliagranites.com/nuyten_reptiles/index.htm and if you click on the "Morphs" link on the left it takes you to a page with some Irian Jaya granite morphs. Reading the bit up the top they basically say they bred 2 wild caught snakes and out of 11, 4 popped out granites. like POOF all of a sudden you have a new colour morph. Is it really that random? Like I have never thought intensely about it but I kinda figured that maybe diff colour or pattern traits were developed from selective breeding...like selecting babies that show more of the trait you're after and sorta interbreed to define those characteristics (please excuse me if that makes no sense at all lol). But anyway, if it really is that random then any one of us (hopefully me :lol could one day breed 2 normal snakes together and pop out somethig fantasmical! Should I start praying? :lol:

 

[craig.a.c]

I have no idea how it works. Wouldn't it be similar to getting the odd albino?

I don't think they look that great to tell you the truth.

 

[NCHERPS]

Zoe,

You pretty much have the idea.

This is how I reckon the albino BHP's shown recently probably came about, two normal looking snakes that were bred together, that turned out to be Hets for albino trait.

Of course, people do also line breed for certain characteristic's also.

That's what makes me so excited about the albino Bhp's recently, and the new albino GTP in the states, you never know just what you might get by breeding two unrelated animals together, or related in some instances.

Of course the statistical chance of getting an albino by breeding unknown to unknown are very slim, where as line breeding animals is something you have more control of, and is also exciting to see what can be achieved.

Neil

 

[The Rock]

Ive a friend in sweeden that breeds granites, he swears they are from australian blood,(mcdowelli). Ill try to down size a pic for ya all.he also breeds the origanal jaguar morp, as i belive there are two or three other strains floating around. He has been breeding these for a few years.
Rob

 

[Magpie]

There's two diferent ways of developing genetic "morphs" (3 if you count wild collecting).
The main way is for them to "just appear" in a clutch.
The second way is to breed two genetic morphs together. This is how "Snows" are made, breeding two diferent types of albinos together.

 

[OuZo]

Of course the statistical chance of getting an albino by breeding unknown to unknown are very slim

That's what I mean! The chances would be so small and the chap with the albino bhp's also had the same luck with the granite IJ's!!!

"Snows" are pure white Mags?

 

[Gabe]

Yeah snows are pure white. They're produced from an albino and axanthic crossing.
Axanthics lack yellow/red pigments :wink:

 

[Gabe]

Ok, well you don't get snows directly from crossing an albino with an axanthic. You need 2 snakes that are double hets for the traits, which are produced from the initial albino/axanthic crossing. Then when they breed you get snows :lol:

 

[beknluke]

My head hurts!! :lol:

 

[NCHERPS]

Ok, well you don't get snows directly from crossing an albino with an axanthic. You need 2 snakes that are double hets for the traits, which are produced from the initial albino/axanthic crossing. Then when they breed you get snows :lol:

Very well put Gabe!
It's when things start getting real interesting, and your projects become a reality over many years of hard work.

Neil

 

[Skorpious]

so when you have the snows then by breeding two of them what percentage are born snows?

 

[Gabe]

Breeding 2 snows together will result in all snows

 

[NCHERPS]

Skorp,

Breeding a Double Het to a Double Het will give you a one in sixteen chance of producing a snow.

Neil

 

[Hickson]

Skorp,

Breeding a Double Het to a Double Het will give you a one in sixteen chance of producing a snow.

Neil

And of the remaining 15:

One will be completely normal.
A further 8 will look normal, but will be single or double het.
There will be one albino.
There will be one xanthic (sometimes called anerythristic).
There will be two albinos, het for xanthic.
And there will be two xanthics het for albino.



Hix

Disclaimer: I disagree with the use of the term 'albino' in this context, and only use it here for the sake of simplicity.

 

[Skorpious]

So how do you tell apart the double hets hehe
well i have gained a bit more respect in starting morphs and the amount of time it takes.

 

[OuZo]

:shock:

Confusion sets in :lol:

 

[herptrader]

Basically you have to breed them together and if some of the offspring show the trait then you bred two hets.

So how do you tell apart the double hets hehe
well i have gained a bit more respect in starting morphs and the amount of time it takes.

 

[Retic]

My next project is going to be a 2 headed granite albino, I have everything except an albino with 2 heads and of course the granite but you have to start somewhere.

 

[Magpie]

I'm gonna breed one of them double blind het albinos.

 

[beknluke]

I told you my head hurt!!
It is so amazingly involved!! But the rewards are so great that it makes you want to start buying up big and playing around. It's just all of the genetics that start getting confusing with the whole 'double het crossed with a {blah}' lol!! but INCREDIBLE!