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I used to live in Coffs and saw heaps of wild carpets. They all looked coastal.
 
Pugsly you took the words right out of my mouth!!! ;)
There are always going to be exceptions to the rules and absolute extremes within similar areas so it will be hard but definately a very good question!

Maybe then we could "somehow" alleviate some of the bickering and misunderstandings when it comes to DP's & PM's....

The funny thing is I don't think I've see this much controversy within a snake species as what we have with the Diamonds.... I mean there are so many locales for Jungles but yet nobody has really brought it to the forefront like we do with Diamonds! I mean the whole "intergrade/hybrid" debate is just amazing for one species!!! Personally I think there are some STUNNING Port Mac's in the hobby and would consider them over some of the Diamonds any day... my Miss Erwin obviously excluded...:rolleyes:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck with it Pugsly and I'm really looking forward to seeing the difference and the progression myself!
If you are doing something fancy Pugsly and need some pics (not that YOU probably would) but Miss Erwin is from the Napean Region of Sydney.

Cheers,
Mell :D
 
Thanks Mel.

I will try and put something together for sure.

The nothing. When you see this particular snake, you will swear blind it is a striped diamond, with a little jungle pattern. Ill get some updated shots of it next week.
 
don't get me rong pugsly but you are starting to sound like one of these dp Experts i know you might not be trying to but that is what it sounds like.every one might know a fair bit about diamond pythons but no one knows it all it is easy to say someone has a intergrade it dose not mean it is true i have seen rescue dp that looke like port macs i have seen port macs that looke like diamond pythons i could say i know it all the truth is i dont and nether does anyone else. not having a go just saying what i think.

cheers
 
Thanks Pugsly,

that's why I threw in the bit "I'm sure everyone accepts that there are differences in individuals from the same locale."

We should be able to look through the variation of colours & see the rosettes & how they change with geographical region.

There are many DP's with beautifully arranged & small sized rosettes, but the rosettes are joined into (dare I say) stripes for the first few diamonds along the neck. They come from clutches of individuals with no joining of diamonds. Does this mean they are from the lower end, or the first stage of intergrading? How do we classify these individuals?

At the end of the day, I haven't seen an ugly diamond yet, whatever you call it!!

Col J.
 
Here is a couple of definite 'pure' animals....

A diamond from Gosford.
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An 'Intergrade' from Port Macquarie.
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Another 'Intergrade' from Port Macquarie.
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An 'Intergrade' from Kempsey.
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Cheers
Shane
 
Ok,

this should confuse everyone lol.

These are all from the same clutch of Coffs Carpets.
 
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Nice Shane.

Even in those 'intergrades' there, how many people are sitting back thinking, wow, I thought they were diamonds!

Shows a few things:

a) There BOTH beautiful snakes, whether from Telegraph Point or Wollongong
b) So many people are misinformed in this species
c) There are often subtle differences and there are intergrade looking diamonds, and diamond looking intergrades!
 
Yep.

Drop dead gorgeous animal.

Should be photographing it again next week, provided the owner hasn't sold it!?
 
Geez Pugsly, looking at a couple of those Coffs carpets, I can't help thinking that their Mum might have met up with a JCP on hols down from Atherton!!
 
True mate, that first 'Intergrade' female has rosettes like that all the way up her body, except for some striping from the neck down.

It is true, unless you know the breeder or the actual locality of the python, you never know where it could be from or if it is 'pure'. I know bugger all about diamonds but that first one is definitely from Gosford and nothing like the high yellow diamonds you associate with that locale.

Nice Shane.

Even in those 'intergrades' there, how many people are sitting back thinking, wow, I thought they were diamonds!

Shows a few things:

a) There BOTH beautiful snakes, whether from Telegraph Point or Wollongong
b) So many people are misinformed in this species
c) There are often subtle differences and there are intergrade looking diamonds, and diamond looking intergrades!
 
Someone posted on here not long ago a photo of a wild diamond in the royal national park down south of sydney and it had striping similar if not more than the individuals logan&Allana are trying to sell.
 
Great thread!

Personally I think MIss Erwin takes the cake LOL

Just a quick one (not having a dig at you or anything genuinely interested in response) how would one tell the difference just by looking at Shanes second picture?

I do notice a very slight elongated (sp?) rosette on the neck and on the coil either side of that pic. Is that the sole way to tell the difference???
 
yep. Sure did. Was also an INTERGRADE. Thats right, apparently they know that its there, and leave it there! Genius NPs...

Lord Serpentongue picked it for an intergrade straight away.

But sssshhhh dont tell the 14 year old Diamond experts that
 
wow! those coff's ones rock! this is my little port mac bred in feb from glimmerman.
 

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Good question (re Shanes second one)

If I saw it without knowing I would be happy to call it either a Diamond or Intergrade.

But, I would lean intergrade for a couple of reasons:

Colour - you can see that tinge of dark orange coming through
Rosettes - Diamonds GENERALLY have 2 'spots' of Rosettes, either side by side or imagine using your index and middle fingers, painting them white and wondering your fingers down the back of a jet black snake.

The rosettes on that one are different as there singular going doin the back (not the whole way but in areas) rather than rosettes side by side or in close proximity.

Thats just me though.
 
but that first one is definitely from Gosford and nothing like the high yellow diamonds you associate with that locale.

Shane that black diamond is black gold to me :D an absolute stunner and I'm very envious :D
 
Thanks Pugs so what you are saying GENERALLY speaking is that Diamonds have a very uniform (grid like) pattern of rosettes where as intergrades seem to be more random????

Is that right or I am way off the mark??
 
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