Ok all you Diamond Experts

[pugsly]

Yes well thats what I believe anyway.

Here are some of mine.

Notice on the diamonds there very organised, there size is similar, there are 4-8 or so white scales surrounded in black before the yellow tipping comes in.

Intergrades have all sorts of patterns from stripes to perfect Coastal carpet patterns. You will see that there rosettes can be completely different all the way down there body. Some look like diamonds some carpets.

This is Glimmermans Port Mac, and one of mine. The rosettes are larger, and sometimes joined.

 

[mrsshep77]

Well here is a better pic of Miss Erwin our diamond from the Napean region! In the second photo I'm not sure of the locality of the smaller diamond but Miss Erwin is the larger b&w to the right.

 

[JasonL]

A wild one from the Royal, not the best pic for looking at rosettes, but was a very active snake.

 

[pugsly]

Beautiful Girl you have there. Both look very healthy too.

Send her my way whenever you want ok!

Nice Shot and nice snake there mate.

Beautiful colour..

 

[dee4]

Interesting thread, I think a lot of useful info is coming out in this one. Well done Pugsly.
The 1st thing that sprung to mind was this one a guy has I know, can I have an opinion on this one if you don't mind?

 

[mrsshep77]

Thanks Pugsly... we are very pleased with her!!!
Sorry no amount of money could make us sell her!!!
We'll sell you one of her babies!!! hehe!!

 

[mrsshep77]

Dee4.... I'm thinking it's an intergrade! The rosettes are different than the diamonds!

 

[pugsly]

IMO

Intergrade, but thats def not to say it might be a diamond or anything else for that matter!

But for me, the joined rosettes are defintately intergrad'ish.

As I said though you can have intergrade looking Diamonds, and Diamond looking intergrades.

Either way, its one HOT snake.

 

[dee4]

The info that's been provided it would seem that way to me also.

 

[WombleHerp]

still confused but ill get it eventually.. hopefully

 

[cris]

A wild one from the Royal, not the best pic for looking at rosettes, but was a very active snake.

I have seen pythons very similar to this(minus the high yellow and probably a different head pattern not that i can see it) in the goldcoast hinterland. My cousin who has lived there for ages and seen 100's of carpets didnt believe me when i told him diamond pythons dont live there. No pics though

I remember reading somewhere about some genetic work being done on the carpets that was suggesting that all of the eastern subspecies where actually the same. Does anyone know anything about this or if the work is finished?

 

[nuthn2do]

IMO

Intergrade, but thats def not to say it might be a diamond or anything else for that matter!

But for me, the joined rosettes are defintately intergrad'ish.

As I said though you can have intergrade looking Diamonds, and Diamond looking intergrades.

Either way, its one HOT snake.

I don't want to sound like i doubt your experience and knowledge of this breed, but the line here between definite and maybe pure diamond/port mac/intergrade/hybrid is starting to fog over again.
I can look at these animals and immediately form my own opinion as well (yes 95% the same as yours) but that's not really gospel is it?

 

[pugsly]

No mate, never said it was gospel. And there are people on here and elsewhere with FAR more experience then I have had with the breed.

Its good you seem to be able to identify them and when it gets close, its almost impossible to tell.

BUT, the obvious ones, should be identified to stop people mixing bloodlines, getting ripped off, or told what there buying isnt actually what it is. Thats what its about.

 

[Australis]

BUT, the obvious ones, should be identified to stop people mixing bloodlines, getting ripped off, or told what there buying isnt actually what it is. Thats what its about.

It is a shame pugsly that the "natural intergrade form" of Carpet receives so much misrepresentation in the hobby, im in total agreeance with you on that one.

People who should know better still seem to use the term "intergrade" to describe their man made hybrids.
Even claiming you can breed hybrids back to a pure point! :shock: insanity.

I wonder if someone would post photos of their known Diamond/Coastal man made hybrids, to demostrate how they look compared to the real natural intergrades pugsly posted up.

 

[PimmsPythons]

rosette size and shape is a very "general" way of identifing a diamonds locality.just to show that not all "gosfords "have the small tight rosettes,heres one found at a mates place at terrigal(on gosfords dorstep) that has a banded rosette pattern.also if anyone has the book "Australian Snakes-a natural history",page 96 shows 4 "gosfords"mating in a tree.3 of them have the small rosettes while the other is banded like the one in the photo.

 

[reptilegirl_jordan]

i know what some are,u gotta look close at the scales i think the port mac have different patterns to a diamond and there sizes but sometimes it hard to tell
there all nice snakes

 

[herpie boy]

i cant believe hornet hasnt had hes lil sook about this thread........hahahhahhahahahahahh

 

[steve6610]

just for any members that are interested in some hybrid/intergrade/crossed pics, please i am only posting these pics to show others the differences, so please can we not turn this into a personal attack on me, these are crossed between a coastal male and a port mac female, please remember this isn't a diamond cross, but a port mac/intergrade cross coastal, now for some pics,
but please lets just keep this thread friendly as i have just watched this thread as i didn't want to get involved in a hybrid debate,

pics, these are pics of 2 x 18 month old crosses that i bred................

 

[steve6610]

these are the parents,

male pure coastal............

mother, pure port mac carpet, (i was told she is a port mac local but can't be certain)

 

[steve6610]

a couple young natural intergrades, i'm not sure on their exact location........