Possible inclusion body diseae (ibd) outbreak

[Australis]

Have you had any mite problems recently (last 12months)..?

The python sharing the quarantine area sounds like just as much a
suspect (if not more so) than animal that died of worms.
Assuming you purchased it with in the last few months.. etc..

 

[the.badger]

That's really crappy news Horsesrule

Apparently OPMV can lie dormant for up to 18 months before presenting, so if it is OPMV you may have to look at all the snakes that have come into and left your collection in that time.

 

[amazonian]

Lots of probablies. possiblies, I thinks & general assumptions in your post.
It may or may not be from the recently purchased animals, and it may or may not be IBD. You should of got a definite answer before posting the thread IMO.

I'd of thought that IBD or OPMV would be the first things any decent Herp Vet that performed an autopsy would look for.

 

[horsesrule]

Have you had any mite problems recently (last 12months)..?

The python sharing the quarantine area sounds like just as much a
suspect (if not more so) than animal that died of worms.
Assuming you purchased it with in the last few months.. etc..

No mites i always spray cages after i clean them as a precaution.

The python in the quarantine area was only there as i was short on 1 enclosure space.

 

[horsesrule]

That's really crappy news Horsesrule

Apparently OPMV can lie dormant for up to 18 months before presenting, so if it is OPMV you may have to look at all the snakes that have come into and left your collection in that time.

None have left my colletion i dont usually sell.

So thats a bonus and i had planned to sell a couple but i have since stopped the sale of them till i get to the bottom of this.

 

[horsesrule]

Lots of probablies. possiblies, I thinks & general assumptions in your post.
It may or may not be from the recently purchased animals, and it may or may not be IBD. You should of got a definite answer before posting the thread IMO.

I'd of thought that IBD or OPMV would be the first things any decent Herp Vet that performed an autopsy would look for.

Appearantly though IBD isnt easy to determine in autopsy.

Checked the others today no one else is sick so its possible i got this in time but who knows.

If it is airborne as they suspect then anything is possible.

 

[tenacres1100]

I dont know whether to finish of 20 days of antibiotic injections on the first or just euthanise it this week.

I'd take the advise of the vet, you may put it down and turn out to be something else.
You said your waiting for your vet to get back from holidays? is the vet your using now a reptile vet?

 

[melgalea]

this is the reason why i only buy from trusted people. people who i have seen there collection and have a huge amount of respect and trust for them. i have found one person now who i am very happy with, and what ever i buy will pretty much only come from him. good luck with it all.

 

[gozz]

I have seen this in a freinds collection recently, very nasty, he thought he was on top of it. But 12 months later it has started again. Sorry this is happenning to you. This isnt an isolated case its out there

 

[rockman]

this is the reason why i only buy from trusted people. people who i have seen there collection and have a huge amount of respect and trust for them. i have found one person now who i am very happy with, and what ever i buy will pretty much only come from him. good luck with it all.

Who's trusted now ? .
If you dont know the complete history of their herp collection / what they have had in and out of their collection / what they have swapped , breeding loans / buying herps / other people handling their herps , how do you trust them 100% ? .

Something to think about eh ? .
Good luck with it all .

Cheers

 

[Jonno from ERD]

Who's trusted now ? .
If you dont know the complete history of their herp collection / what they have had in and out of their collection / what they have swapped , breeding loans / buying herps / other people handling their herps , how do you trust them 100% ? .

Something to think about eh ? .
Good luck with it all .

Cheers

It is all about risk minimisation. Several of the big breeders that I am in regular contact with that have established lines rarely introduce new snakes into their main collection. If they do, they employ thorough (but not perfect) quarantine methods to minimise the risk of introduce contaminated snakes. Luckily enough there are people like Danny Brown who openly admit that they have diseased animals and do the correct thing by euthanising the whole lot, rather than flogging them off on the sly.

 

[melgalea]

Who's trusted now ? .
If you dont know the complete history of their herp collection / what they have had in and out of their collection / what they have swapped , breeding loans / buying herps / other people handling their herps , how do you trust them 100% ? .

Something to think about eh ? .
Good luck with it all .

Cheers

the fact that i do know quite a lot about what goes in and out and the fact that the person i trust has a collection worth quite a lot of money is the reason. and there safety practises on quarantine. i have seen to many cases of people loosing there snakes to these diseases. in 7 years i havnt had to take a reptile to the vets yet. fingers crossed i wont ever have too either.

 

[melgalea]

It is all about risk minimisation. Several of the big breeders that I am in regular contact with that have established lines rarely introduce new snakes into their main collection. If they do, they employ thorough (but not perfect) quarantine methods to minimise the risk of introduce contaminated snakes. Luckily enough there are people like Danny Brown who openly admit that they have diseased animals and do the correct thing by euthanising the whole lot, rather than flogging them off on the sly.

couldnt have said it better my self jonno.
mel

 

[thesilverbeast]

This seller is a trusted well known seller anyway.

Before this i would have had huge amounts of confidence buying from them.

 

[Jonno from ERD]

G'day silverbeast,

I think you will find that a lot of people who have been in the game for more than a couple of years won't touch any animals from him. He himself may not be dodgy, but unfortunately when you are buying and selling as many animals as they are, things slip through the cracks quite often.

When buying snakes, the most important thing is WHO you buy it from, not the snake itself.

 

[melgalea]

i have had a couple of crappy experiences buying interstate. nothing bad, just little things that have ticked me off with a few sellers interstate that make me not go back to them. and i have never ever brought from the said seller.

reptile sellers are like tatooists, once u find a good one, u hold on to them for dear life until ur collection has finished growing.

 

[horsesrule]

I'd take the advise of the vet, you may put it down and turn out to be something else.
You said your waiting for your vet to get back from holidays? is the vet your using now a reptile vet?

Im now using 2 vets both specialise in reptiles.

The one who performed the original autopsy is on leave. But i am getting the sick animal treated by another vet at the moment.

 

[horsesrule]

I think these 2 diseases need to be publicised more.

Im sure many people out there with snakes have no idea about either of the 2 diseases.

As i have said i get through this with any of them left untouched ill keep them but thats it.

 

[Chappy]

Sorry to hear about this Horsesrule and i hope it all works out...allthough it does not sound to good.

If the source of the disease can be traced back to the Dodgy seller i say shame him and his shop and i hope no one buys from him ever again.

Keep us posted as i am sure there a lot of people watching this thread.

 

[HerpDoc]

Hi Horsesrule,

If you want the snake in question euthanased and post-mortemed I can do that for you free of charge. This will include full histopathology. The catch is you will not have access to the body afterwards.

I require bodies of snakes that have died or been suspected of having OPMV so that I can harvest tissues to develop a test for OPMV. I will also be doing some virus culture as well.

PM me if you're interested.