Possible inclusion body diseae (ibd) outbreak

[Chappy]

how about being 100%sure before you bad mouth people

I didnt think it would take long!! Here come the Ballarat brigade to the defense

Take a look at the History of what has happened to her and i dont think you need to be Einstein to work out what has happened.

 

[ambah]

haha, ballarat brigade

 

[BenReyn]

Oh no. That sounds horrible. If I were you, get the animals' that you believe don't have a quality life anymore, and get them autopsied, then take your next step..

 

[scout]

I can understand how upsetting it is for you. I had an encounter this year where i purchased a snake, that showed signs of IBD pretty soon after purchase. I was lucky the guy took the snake back(only to my dismay to re sell it). Im a nurse so had taken precautions with quarenteen. I had been stung quite a few years ago and had got out of the hobby for that reason until the bug got me again, its heart renching getting all your hard work put down. Even though I have strict quarenteen measures i will not be selling my snakes on for the next few years(even though they are over the danger period..thank god) just to make sure im not passing it on to any one else, its a shame other people do not think the same. good luck with any legal proceding if it comes to that, I sought legal advice in case of the worst, but was told it was more or less hopeless, im hoping no more of your snakes come down with it, good luck and best wishes

 

[horsesrule]

how about being 100%sure before you bad mouth people

No ones been bad mouthed

All that has been said are the facts.

 

[horsesrule]

I didnt think it would take long!! Here come the Ballarat brigade to the defense

Take a look at the History of what has happened to her and i dont think you need to be Einstein to work out what has happened.

Yep there here.

No suprise though, it seems apperantly some can do no wrong even though its been proven 100% they sold sick animals and broke the law.

 

[horsesrule]

I didnt think it would take long!! Here come the Ballarat brigade to the defense

Take a look at the History of what has happened to her and i dont think you need to be Einstein to work out what has happened.

Yep and im not the only one from what i have been told.

 

[Australis]

Yep there here.

No suprise though, it seems apperantly some can do no wrong even though its been proven 100% they sold sick animals and broke the law.

But its not 100% proven that "they" are the source of the suspected IBD.

Im in no way defending this person, not for a second.. but i think your
jumping the gun here, firstly you have no proof of IBD, then even if
proven to be IBD or even OPMV, you cant exactly prove the worm
riddled snakes were the vectors..

 

[horsesrule]

But its not 100% proven that "they" are the source of the suspected IBD.

Im in no way defending this person, not for a second.. but i think your
jumping the gun here, firstly you have no proof of IBD, then even if
proven to be IBD or even OPMV, you cant exactly prove the worm
riddled snakes were the vectors..

You could argue that there is no 100% proof that man landed on the moon. But very few argue or believe we didnt.

The balance of probabilities is that this is whats happened.

In 20 years of keeping reptiles i have never had this happen.

The balance of probabilities is really what needs to be looked at.

Seller sold 1 snake that died.
Seller replaced snake with another that then ended up being sick and wouldnt eat.
Second snake was returned to seller.

Now my collection is sick

The mathematical probabilities that its not linked to these sick animals is small i personally feel tiny.

 

[Dan19]

You could argue that there is no 100% proof that man landed on the moon. But very few argue or believe we didnt.

The balance of probabilities is that this is whats happened.

In 20 years of keeping reptiles i have never had this happen.

The balance of probabilities is really what needs to be looked at.

Seller sold 1 snake that died.
Seller replaced snake with another that then ended up being sick and wouldnt eat.
Second snake was returned to seller.

Now my collection is sick

The mathematical probabilities that its not linked to these sick animals is small i personally feel tiny.

Which mathematical equation did you use to come to this opinion?

 

[horsesrule]

Which mathematical equation did you use to come to this opinion?

Common sense, why are you taking the sellers side?

 

[Chappy]

Yep and im not the only one from what i have been told.

Me too i have been speaking to numerous people about this and everyone has said they wont touch his stock. These are respected people in the industry to.

Surely not everyone is wrong...... Wheres theres smoke theres fire

 

[flinders]

for someone who has been keeping reptiles for 20yrs you don't seem to know to much about them.

 

[Dan19]

Common sense, why are you taking the sellers side?

So quick to judge. Im not taking anyones side though it is strange to blame the seller when these diseases can take quite a while to show themselves. Yes i think that he was in the wrong with the worms though i am not convinced so far with you saying it was his fault with the so called "IBD" epidemic and that all your snakes now have it and you have not got any evidence to show that it is IBD nor that the snake the seller gave you had it.

 

[Chappy]

Hopefully no one gets burnt again by this seller.

 

[horsesrule]

for someone who has been keeping reptiles for 20yrs you don't seem to know to much about them.

Mmm another member of the Ballarat brigade.

 

[rockman]

I can understand how upsetting it is for you. I had an encounter this year where i purchased a snake, that showed signs of IBD pretty soon after purchase. I was lucky the guy took the snake back(only to my dismay to re sell it). Im a nurse so had taken precautions with quarenteen. I had been stung quite a few years ago and had got out of the hobby for that reason until the bug got me again, its heart renching getting all your hard work put down. Even though I have strict quarenteen measures i will not be selling my snakes on for the next few years(even though they are over the danger period..thank god) just to make sure im not passing it on to any one else, its a shame other people do not think the same. good luck with any legal proceding if it comes to that, I sought legal advice in case of the worst, but was told it was more or less hopeless, im hoping no more of your snakes come down with it, good luck and best wishes

Hi , what do you class as the " danger period 'that you are over " ?
Not having a dig , just curious .
Would you consider 4-5 years being out of danger ? .

Cheers

 

[horsesrule]

So quick to judge. Im not taking anyones side though it is strange to blame the seller when these diseases can take quite a while to show themselves. Yes i think that he was in the wrong with the worms though i am not convinced so far with you saying it was his fault with the so called "IBD" epidemic and that all your snakes now have it and you have not got any evidence to show that it is IBD nor that the snake the seller gave you had it.

So this is just coincidence?


Well we will see, it appears both snakes have got worse with there condition.

Despite anti biotics.

 

[Earthling]

Regarding OPMV tests.
If you want to rule that out....or in....talk to a good herp vet and you can get OPMV tested in USA. It will cost you some coin (around $300 mark a vet told me once), but its guaranted 100% accurate, not like these second class tests here in Oz.
Take your Snake into the vets and they will cut and send the appropriate body parts.
Goodluck.

 

[Dan19]

So this is just coincidence?


Well we will see, it appears both snakes have got worse with there condition.

Despite anti biotics.

It could be just that. Have you introduced any new snakes to your collection in the past year or so?
And it seems that whoever does not agree with you is wrong. I think you should open your mind a little and accept other peoples opinions before you are fully certain about yours.