Possible inclusion body diseae (ibd) outbreak

[flinders]

Mmm another member of the Ballarat brigade.

no i don't think so. just pointing out the obvious.why not get proof of whats happening and then take the matter further.you seem to be your own worst enemy.

 

[horsesrule]

Regarding OPMV tests.
If you want to rule that out....or in....talk to a good herp vet and you can get OPMV tested in USA. It will cost you some coin (around $300 mark a vet told me once), but its guaranted 100% accurate, not like these second class tests here in Oz.
Take your Snake into the vets and they will cut and send the appropriate body parts.
Goodluck.

I will be speaking to the vet who assessed the snake last week that was ill on Thursday.

I have to wait to the vet who performed the autopsy gets back from holidays next week.

And im waiting to hear back from DR HERP

As i said 3 independant reptile vets will now be getting to the bottom of this.

It may take a few weeks but it will be figured out.

If it turns out not be either of the 2 likely causes i will happily post this in the forum.

However i am very much doubt this will be the case.

 

[horsesrule]

It could be just that. Have you introduced any new snakes to your collection in the past year or so?
And it seems that whoever does not agree with you is wrong. I think you should open your mind a little and accept other peoples opinions before you are fully certain about yours.

My mind is open and i am looking at all possibilities.

Why else would i now be planning to consult with 3 reptile vets?

I have not said anywhere in this thread i am 100% i have said on the balance of probabilities i am correct. I stand by this and so does at least 1 vet i seen last week.

 

[rockman]

Regarding OPMV tests.
If you want to rule that out....or in....talk to a good herp vet and you can get OPMV tested in USA. It will cost you some coin (around $300 mark a vet told me once), but its guaranted 100% accurate, not like these second class tests here in Oz.
Take your Snake into the vets and they will cut and send the appropriate body parts.
Goodluck.

You cant get it tested in the States .
Would probably cost a lot more then $300 , nearly cost that over here ! .

Cheers

 

[Dan19]

My mind is open and i am looking at all possibilities.

Why else would i now be planning to consult with 3 reptile vets?

I have not said anywhere in this thread i am 100% i have said on the balance of probabilities i am correct. I stand by this and so does at least 1 vet i seen last week.

Well good luck with that then.
My question again, have you bought any introduce any new reptiles into your house in the past year or so?

 

[elapid66]

pm coming your way horse

 

[horsesrule]

Well good luck with that then.
My question again, have you bought any introduce any new reptiles into your house in the past year or so?

Yes i have all these animals have been kept seperate and are actually healthy,

So far touchwood.

 

[elapid66]

ha ha ha

ba haha hahahehe:lol:

 

[horsesrule]

pm coming your way horse

Glad to see you know how to send insulting messages

elapid66

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you are a nob cheers paul :lol:

 

[Australis]

Yes i have all these animals have been kept seperate and are actually healthy,

So far touchwood.

But what about the animal you said first showed signs, an animal that was still in Q/T?

 

[Ishah]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how the sick snake you returned ended up? Is there any way of knowing what the outcome with it was? As if it was this snake that caused/passed on the symptoms to the rest of your collection, then it may have already died, or passed it on to the sellers stock? I think knowing the outcome/(health) status of the sick returned snake would back up your case the HR, well it could help make or break your legal case and bring some light to the situation if you know what I'm trying to say...(not the greatest at explaining what I mean, sorry)

 

[gozz]

Well this needs to and should go to court to be sorted out ,evidance needs to be collected. All buyers that on sell should be held responisble and should hold all animals for a maximin time period. Some people dont care about others and are only in this hobby for money. But Remember innocent untiln proven guilty

 

[andyh]

whether it be IBD, OPMV or XYZ remains to be seen, I can definately see your point with the balance of probabilities I would probably come to the same conclusion (that the new ones are to blame) as would virtually everyone on here if they were in the same situation. I sincerely hope it doesnt turn out to be one of the two evils for the sake of both you and your animals.

I also think this thread is turning more into an argument and a finger pointing excersise rather than intelligent discussion as demonstrated in thread #89 -- very mature!!

 

[horsesrule]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder how the sick snake you returned ended up? Is there any way of knowing what the outcome with it was? As if it was this snake that caused/passed on the symptoms to the rest of your collection, then it may have already died, or passed it on to the sellers stock? I think knowing the outcome/(health) status of the sick returned snake would back up your case the HR, well it could help make or break your legal case and bring some light to the situation if you know what I'm trying to say...(not the greatest at explaining what I mean, sorry)

With the amount of stock the seller has there is no way of finding out what happened to it.

I am sure now the seller is aware of this thread its not even in his stock.

But when it was returned it was placed on the counter and taken out within the shop where there are other snakes around. I was there for about half an hour and the animal was in and out the bag the whole time.

So for argument sake (hypothetically) lets say this animal has one of the 2 diseases suspected as it can be transmitted airborne there is a possiblilty that his entire stock is now at risk.

 

[Vixen]

Horserule these diseases can lie dormant for years for all you know one of your snakes might have been infected long before you got sold the worm infested snake. Not sure where you got the ' they will show signs within 30 days ' because thats a load of bullshit.

Your quarantine didn't seem very good at all, and if it was the case that one of your snakes had a virus long before this, I doubt you would have been sterilising and being super careful between snakes, which is a possibility of why the others are now showing signs.

Don't jump the gun on this and automatically blame the seller, and get the proper tests done. Coincidences do happen.. don't blame someone else for what might have been your problem all along.

 

[Chappy]

G'day silverbeast,

I think you will find that a lot of people who have been in the game for more than a couple of years won't touch any animals from him. He himself may not be dodgy, but unfortunately when you are buying and selling as many animals as they are, things slip through the cracks quite often.

When buying snakes, the most important thing is WHO you buy it from, not the snake itself.

I have heard the same stories Jonno.

 

[junglepython2]

While I'd never touch the seller's stock, there is no way you could mount a successful legal case and prove anything came from his animals. Barely anything is even known about the disease.

 

[gozz]

what we need is ideas on how to combat these nasty vireses and beat it

 

[Ishah]

While I'd never touch the seller's stock, there is no way you could mount a successful legal case and prove anything came from his animals. Barely anything is even known about the disease.

I agree, and also, without knowing the outcome of the returned snake there is really no way (that I can see) of you proving it came from his stock either, hence the reason I asked if there was a way of finding out what happened with it...That IMO would have been your best bet/hope at a "strong, winnable" case, and as you said HR, you don't have a way of knowing the outcome of the returned snake, so I doubt you will get far with the case you are building now :? Goodluck

 

[horsesrule]

Horserule these diseases can lie dormant for years for all you know one of your snakes might have been infected long before you got sold the worm infested snake. Not sure where you got the ' they will show signs within 30 days ' because thats a load of bullshit.

Your quarantine didn't seem very good at all, and if it was the case that one of your snakes had a virus long before this, I doubt you would have been sterilising and being super careful between snakes, which is a possibility of why the others are now showing signs.

Don't jump the gun on this and automatically blame the seller, and get the proper tests done. Coincidences do happen.. don't blame someone else for what might have been your problem all along.

Ok look i started this thread to get feedback from people who know a bit about these diseases and have kept herps for a while.

Now i dont want to sound like im being rude yeah Vixen but i was keeping snakes before you were born.

“Python keepers have had a much easier time [than boa keepers] with IBD, basically because it appears to affect only the brain and death comes more quickly. The advantage is that the snake may show symptoms in weeks after exposure, (star-gazing, poor motor control, loss of appetite, coiling or constricting uncontrollably when they are stimulated) and so far as is known, pythons do not live longer than three months after infection. Python keepers are usually able to nip the problem in the bud very quickly.”

http://members.iinet.net.au/~bush/append21.html

As for my quarantine it was fine, you could argue one of the snakes now affected shouldnt have been in the quarantine room i would agree however thats just 1 that doesnt explain the other being sick.

Also considering the other one now sick is fed on different days, cleaned on different days, housed in a completely different room in which the door is kept shut.