thankyou moosenoose, glad you enjoyed it, herping threads are always my favourite threads, even if the herper nly managed to find a few little skinks, there always good to look at and have a read of. Jason, the cray was found in bald rock creek does that mean its still suttoni, lol yer that was fun tim, lucky I didn't run the big one over I thought it was a green tree frog when I saw it from the car, looked very strange. as for that one we found, I would have no idea, I guess it would be one that is found on mid north coast somewhere.